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Post by Sat31March1928 » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:53 am

I've created a page on Wikipedia on the East Of Scotland Shield based on my set of Hearts and Hibs results.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_of_Scotland_Shield

I'm going to try and put together a complete set of results from the competition.

Does anyone have a set already?
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Post by Scottish » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:41 pm

No results but Bernard Stocks' 'The Winners' lists the following for some of the missing seasons on your Wiki page.

1875-76 3rd Eastern RV
1876-77 Thistle
1877-78 Hearts
1879-80, 1880-81, 1881-82 Hibs
1882-83 University
1883-84, 84-85, 85-86 Hibs
1894-95 Bo'ness
1895-96 Mossend Swifts
1896-97 St Bernard's
1902-03 Hibs
1907-08 Hibs
1910-11, 11-12, 12-13 Hibs
1915-16, 16-17 No competition
1921-22 Hearts
1924-25 Hibs
1940-41 No competition
1950-51 Hibs
1964-65 Hearts
1972-73 No competition
1977-78 Hibs
1980-81 Berwick Rangers
1982-83 Hibs
1983-84 Berwick Rangers
1984-85 No competition
1986-87 Hibs
1990-91, 91-92 Hibs
1992-93 Hearts
1993-94 Hibs
1994-95 Hearts
1995-96 Hibs
1996-97 No competition
1997-98, 98-99 Hearts
1999-2000 Held over

In addition some of his winners differ from yours. He gives the following (your winners in brackets):
1886-87 Hearts (Hibs)
1900-01 Raith Rovers (Leith Athletic)
1905-06 Hibs (Hearts)
1917-18 Hibs (Hibs-Hearts draw)
1920-21 Hibs (two winners, Hibs v Hearts, Hearts v St Bernard's)
1949-50 Hearts (Hibs)
1968-69 Hearts (Hibs)
1970-71 Hibs (Hearts)
1971-72 Not completed (Hibs)
1978-79 No Competition (Meadowbank)
1989-90 Hibs (Hearts)

As you can see his list goes on beyond 1990. Stocks gives the original name as the Edinburgh Challenge Cup (until 1891)

BTW how reliable are these wiki pages? I don't just mean mistakes, which we can all make but some real humdingers. How do you avoid idiots editing them? In the past month I've seen one which says Bertie Auld was a goalkeeper, others which link players to people with the same name but totally different professions, some which mix up players with the same names - leading to them supposedly having 80-year careers - and a few bizarre pages attempting to be in broad Scots

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Post by BMCCOLL » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:58 pm

I see a number of teams are linked to towns in Germany and there is also a broad discussion on the history of ship's anchors!

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:43 pm

Thanks for all the info.

I based mine on my list of Hearts and Hibs results i.e. Hearts or Hibs losing or winning in a Final. Some of them get a bit confusing as some Finals weren't played until the following season. Some games were disputed and replies ordered or draws turned into wins.

What I'm going to do is trace each Final back to it's report in the SDA where possible.

I'll change the Wiki links to reflect football clubs rather than other things.

The thing about Wiki is that it is a 'common' thing and the 'common' good should improve it. Normally this is OK but you get vandalism e.g. Hearts and Hibs fans inserting nonesense into each others pages. These do get removed though.
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Post by Sat31March1928 » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:44 pm

Thanks for all the info.

I based mine on my list of Hearts and Hibs results i.e. Hearts or Hibs losing or winning in a Final. Some of them get a bit confusing as some Finals weren't played until the following season. Some games were disputed and replies ordered or draws turned into wins.

What I'm going to do is trace each Final back to it's report in the SDA where possible.

I'll change the Wiki links to reflect football clubs rather than other things.

The thing about Wiki is that it is a 'common' thing and the 'common' good should improve it. Normally this is OK but you get vandalism e.g. Hearts and Hibs fans inserting nonesense into each others pages. These do get removed though.
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Post by LLD » Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:58 pm

I should be able to piece together a complete list of Meadowbank's results in the Shield, although it's not something I have readily available at this moment.

From memory we competed in it from 1974-75 to around 1984.

Edit: We definitely didn't win it at any point.

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:02 am

From the SDA of 1892


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Post by LLD » Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:56 pm

Meadowbank's results in the Shield (not quite complete)

1974-75
semi - 24/02/1975 - Hearts 3, MT 0

1975-76
semi - Hibs scratched, MT walkover
final - 07/08/1976 - Hearts 8, MT 0

1976-77
semi - 04/10/1977 - Hibs 4, MT 1

1977-78
semi - 10/10/1978 - Hearts 1, MT 3
final - 05/05/1979 - Hibs 4, MT 0

1978-79
semi - no record
final - 15/08/1979 - Hibs 3, MT 1

1979-80
no record

1980-81
semi - 09/12/1980 - Hibs 0, MT 0 (MT won 4-3 on pens)
final - 23/03/1981 - Berwick 6, MT 1

1981-82
semi - 25/11/1981 - MT 1, Berwick 1 (MT won 9-8 on pens)
final - 20/01/1982 - Hearts 5, MT 0

1982-83
semi - 19/10/1982 - Hibs 2, MT 1

1983-84
semi - 16/04/1984 - Hibs 1, MT 1 (MT won 5-4 on pens)
final - 15/05/1984 - Berwick 2, MT 1

did not compete after that.

Note that the dates are correct - some games were carried over to the following season.

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