Charlie Bootland (1930s-1940s Clyde, Dumbarton, Scotland)

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Charlie Bootland (1930s-1940s Clyde, Dumbarton, Scotland)

Post by joey-barrel » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:37 pm

Hi I wonder if anyone can help.

I'm trying find out info. about Charlie Bootland who played for Clyde, Dumbarton and Scotland during the 1930s and 1940s. He won a runners up medal with Clyde, got at least 1 cap for Scotland, and even represented Scotland v. England in a POW camp during ww2!! Also I'm told that he appeared on a cigarette card.

That's all I know. If anyone can help with more details, football career stats. , pictures or cigarette card (or its publishing company) that would be great !!
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Post by bobby s » Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:31 am

I can't find anything on him pre war, but post war he played for Dumbarton, Clyde and Kilmarnock. He was also signed to, but I don't know if he played for, Dundee United & Leith Athletic. He then moved onto Duns in the mid 50s.

I can't see anything about him having played in a representative match for Scotland.

I think he did play in the Clyde team that lost the 1949 Scottish Cup Final to Rangers.
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Post by Scottish » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:24 am

Hi there and welcome to the forum.

Charles Bootland played on the left wing and started out after the war playing for Dumbarton as an amateur before signing professional forms in December 1946. He spent a period on trial with Notts County in May 1948 but was back at Boghead by the start of the 1948-49 season.

He moved to Clyde in November 1948 and, as Bobby says, played for Clyde in the team which lost the 1949 Scottish Cup Final. Charlie scored twice in the competition. Once was in the opening round but his second strike was far more important when he notched the equaliser against Dundee in the semi-final replay at Hampden. Clyde went on to win 2-1.

In September 1950 he joined Kilmarnock but had the misfortune to break his collarbone on his debut for Killie in a league match away to Dundee United on September 30th 1950. The injury kept him out for two months but he returned and was a fairly regular performer for the rest of that season. Chances were fewer the next term and he left Rugby Park for Dundee United in either March/April (sources conflict) 1952.

His next port of call was Leith Athletic in September 1952. He then dropped out of league football, joining Duns – where he remained for two seasons – in August 1953.

All told Charles Bootland made 106 appearances in first class football, scoring 40 goals. These were broken down as follows:

Scottish League 79A 31G (18A, 6G in ‘A’ Division, 61A, 25G in ‘B’ Division)
Scottish Cup 8A 3G
League Cup 17A 6G
Other 2A 0G

The ‘other’ appearances were in the B Division Supplementary Cup.

I can’t trace anything about a POW ‘international’ or a cigarette card though football matches were pretty common in POW camps and Charlie was definitely of the era when players appeared on cigarette cards.


Hope this helps.

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Post by joey-barrel » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:13 pm

This is fantastic - much more than I could have hoped for. What are your sources ?

Apparently Charlie scored twice in a Scotland England match in a POW camp. (3-1 to Scotland)

Again, thanks for your help.

Joey B.

P.S. Do you know where I might find photographs of Charlie?
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Post by Sat31March1928 » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:42 pm

He's not in any wartime international team or in a SFL team.

Match report on him scoring vs Hearts

http://www.londonhearts.com/scores/imag ... 102901.htm
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Post by Scottish » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:13 am

I have to confirm the above. I can't find him in any international side either during wartime or before or after. Regarding sources I use far too many to list them all here but in this instance the main ones were the late Bill Donnachie's 'Who's Who' of Kilmarnock FC, John Byrne's 'Scottish Cup 1873-1986' John Litster's players records disk, the Scotsman newspaper digital archive as well as my own records.

For photos it depends on how well clubs have kept their records. There should certainly be photos of the 1949 Scottish Cup Final available and perhaps even a Pathe News clip.

In general The Herald would be best to contact as they had quite an extensive back library.

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Post by joey-barrel » Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:23 am

This is great.

Many, many thanks for all your help.

I'll contact the Herald, and also all the clubs you mentioned he played for.

Kind regards,
Joey.

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Post by Burnie_man » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:43 pm

joey-barrel wrote:I believe there's a Scotland cap somewhere although I can't recall if I've seen it or not.
Maybe an Amateur International cap?

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Post by joey-barrel » Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:50 pm

Burnie_man wrote:
joey-barrel wrote:I believe there's a Scotland cap somewhere although I can't recall if I've seen it or not.
Maybe an Amateur International cap?
Could be. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Post by Scottish » Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:46 pm

More likely to be some kind of services honour. There were no amateur internationals during WW2 - I'm not aware even of any unofficial ones - and Scotland didn't resume playing internationals at amateur level until 1949.

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Post by joey-barrel » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:06 am

A couple more questions.

Firstly - how can I find out what number shirt Charlie wore on the 1949 cup final (I've watched the Pathe Clip and I reckon there's a good chance he appears somewhere in the 1 min 34 seconds.)

Secondly - is there any way I can get hold of a 1949 cup final programme - and what would it cost. If this proves too difficult, are scans available somewhere, not only of the front page aut inside pages as well ?

Many thanks,
Joey.

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Post by LEATHERSTOCKING » Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:34 pm

There`s a "C.BOOTLAND" in the Scottish amateur Xl vs. England @ Hampden on 12th March 1938. His club is listed as "Army". He didn`t score in a 5-2 defeat.

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Post by joey-barrel » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:23 pm

LEATHERSTOCKING wrote:There`s a "C.BOOTLAND" in the Scottish amateur Xl vs. England @ Hampden on 12th March 1938. His club is listed as "Army". He didn`t score in a 5-2 defeat.
I imagine that'll be him. Many thanks!!

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Post by Scottish » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:59 pm

joey-barrel wrote:A couple more questions.

Firstly - how can I find out what number shirt Charlie wore on the 1949 cup final (I've watched the Pathe Clip and I reckon there's a good chance he appears somewhere in the 1 min 34 seconds.)

Secondly - is there any way I can get hold of a 1949 cup final programme - and what would it cost. If this proves too difficult, are scans available somewhere, not only of the front page aut inside pages as well ?

Many thanks,
Joey.
I don't know if numbers were worn in the Scottish Cup Final. I think they were a post-war innovation but am not sure exactly when. Charles Bootland usually played on the left wing which would be 11.

You could try Scotland's top programme shop for info but I'd imagine the 1949 Final would be a hefty price.

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Post by joey-barrel » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:44 pm

Thanks for the website. No programme for 1949. I did find one for sale on another website for £300. - too expensive. I also found one had been sold within the last 2-3 years for £120. I still can't really justify it at that price.

On a Clyde website I saw the list of names of all the players, and C. Bootland was the last of the 11 names to be mentioned, fair to assume he played at no. 11 ? The Pathe clip (at 1 min. 20 seconds) shows the back of a player with 2 digits on his jersey, can't make out if its 10 or 11... very frustrating.

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