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Post by Sat31March1928 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:16 am

I've finally consolidated all my European results.

I'll be creating web pages for all the teams results etc

Excluding the 'Intertoto Cup'

The summary is SEA is no of seasons entered DIFFTEAMS is number of different teams faced.

NB Teams who haven't played a game won't have this season counting.


g W d l F A SEA DIFFTEAMS TEAM
289 127 68 94 445 346 48 109 Rangers
248 119 45 84 407 258 44 91 Celtic
107 44 28 35 159 122 27 52 Aberdeen
102 45 26 31 160 102 22 48 Dundee United
77 36 16 25 132 111 18 35 Hibernian
68 26 14 28 92 96 18 34 Heart Of Midlothian
46 23 7 16 87 51 9 22 Dunfermline Athletic
40 14 10 16 50 57 9 20 Kilmarnock
32 16 2 14 61 48 7 14 Dundee
14 3 5 6 10 14 4 7 St Mirren
13 5 0 8 16 15 5 7 Motherwell
10 4 2 4 14 15 2 5 St Johnstone
6 3 0 3 10 11 2 3 Partick Thistle
6 2 1 3 10 8 1 3 Raith Rovers
4 1 2 1 7 9 1 2 Livingston
2 0 0 2 1 3 1 1 Airdrieonians
2 0 1 1 3 7 1 1 Gretna
2 0 0 2 3 9 1 1 Morton
2 0 0 2 2 4 1 1 Queen of the South
1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 Falkirk


Intertoto Summary

g W d l F A SEA DIFFTEAMS TEAM
8 3 1 4 11 8 3 4 Hibernian
4 1 1 2 6 6 2 4 Partick Thistle
2 0 1 1 2 5 1 1 Dundee
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Post by Sat31March1928 » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:20 am

See here for summary of Scottish team in Europe.

A big thanks to David for supllying the crowd figures.

A bit of work in progress. More content to follow.

http://www.londonhearts.com/europe/index.htm

Raith Rovers, St Johnstone and Dunfermline in the 'Top 5 of Winning Tie percentages'

http://www.londonhearts.com/europe/index.htm#tiesbywpc
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Post by Sat31March1928 » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:56 pm

I've now added in

Up to formation of the Premier League

http://www.londonhearts.com/europe/index1975.htm

Premier League until SPL Formed

http://www.londonhearts.com/europe/index1998.htm

Since SPL formed

http://www.londonhearts.com/europe/indextodate.htm
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Post by Scottish » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:37 pm

As always, excellent stuff.

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Post by The Mighty Atom » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:26 pm

Tremendous!!

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:17 am

I've updated the 'team' pages adding in breakdown by season and opponents.
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Post by Sat31March1928 » Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:41 pm

I've add in

Scottish Teams in Europe - Away Goals Results
Scottish Teams in Europe - Penalty Shoot Out Results


Scottish Teams in Europe - Quarter Finals
Scottish Teams in Europe - Semi Finals
Scottish Teams in Europe - Finals

See http://www.londonhearts.com/europe/odds.htm



I had no idea what the results were going to be but here are some findings

Scotland are 50th out of 54 countries in success in games decided by away goals. Only 7 out of 34 ties won.


http://www.londonhearts.com/europe/awaygoals.htm

In penalty shoot outs 39th out of 50. Winning 3(All by Rangers) out of 10.

http://www.londonhearts.com/europe/penalties.htm

In QF Scotland are a respectable 7th in terms of Winning ratio.

http://www.londonhearts.com/europe/qfinals.htm
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Post by Tom Brogan » Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:22 pm

Spotted a wee error.

Celtic won the penalty shoot out against Spartak Moscow 29 August 2007.

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:05 pm

Tom Brogan wrote:Spotted a wee error.

Celtic won the penalty shoot out against Spartak Moscow 29 August 2007.
Now fixed. Up to 33rd in Penalty success!
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Post by Sat31March1928 » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:46 pm

I've added in sections on 'deficit' victories.

Only 3 sides have ever overcome a 4 goal deficit in Europe

http://www.londonhearts.com/europe/deficit4.htm

and none away from home.

In terms of overcoming 2 goal deficits. Scotland rank a respectable 12th in winning countries.

http://www.londonhearts.com/europe/defi ... e.htm#wall

and 7th in losing countries

http://www.londonhearts.com/europe/defi ... e.htm#wall

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:45 am

I've now added in a page per season. Summaries of each seasons results are on the main pages.

In terms of 'ties' won 1982-83 was the most succesful season
1966-67 in second place.

NB I include the 'Super Cup' as part of 1982-83.

http://www.londonhearts.com/europe/index.htm#stiesbyw
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Post by HibeeJibee » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:05 pm

First, can I say that this is an excellent resource (as is so much of London Hearts) and is particularly useful for me as it includes the dates of fixtures.

A couple of wee queries: (1) might you intend to do something similar for the Texaco/AngloScottish Cup in future?; (2) Celtic's Intercontinental Cup tie, worthy of inclusion as nowhere else to go?; (3) Women's UEFA Cup...?

Also are your attendance figures from RSSF/the press/or is there a book? I know there are a series of books by Romeo Ionescu (about 10 covering all competitions and years) but at £20 each I've not splashed out on them.

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:06 pm

HibeeJibee wrote:First, can I say that this is an excellent resource (as is so much of London Hearts) and is particularly useful for me as it includes the dates of fixtures.

A couple of wee queries: (1) might you intend to do something similar for the Texaco/AngloScottish Cup in future?;

(2) Celtic's Intercontinental Cup tie, worthy of inclusion as nowhere else to go?;

(3) Women's UEFA Cup...?

Also are your attendance figures from RSSF/the press/or is there a book? I know there are a series of books by Romeo Ionescu (about 10 covering all competitions and years) but at £20 each I've not splashed out on them.
1 - I have all the results so should be straightforward. Something to do on the train journey to Zagreb this week.

2 - Good thinking I'll include them as well.

3 - Not yet
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Post by Scottish » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:55 pm

A few observations:

Surely Aberdeen's Super Cup should be 1983-84 not 82-83? The Super Cup is contested in the season following European success.

Rangers v Ajax. This is tricky as while obviously the forerunner of the Super Cup it was not an official competition. Yet we have no problem in calling Scotland v England in 1872 an international in similar circumstances.

Celtic v Racing Club should be included somewhere and I have it as part of my 1967-68 records in my Celtic European file.

The Texaco/ASC is clearly worthy of inclusion in any set of records as it as clubs entered it on merit (at least in Scotland anyway).

UEFA used to provide limited crowd information (from circa 1990 IIRC) on their website but stopped doing so some years ago when they revamped their site. Now they only seem to include crowd figures from the Champions League group stages onwards.

Romeo Ionescu's crowd figures for some Scottish games differ considerably from those previously published (his are usually higher) and there is no reason to think the same doesn't apply to other countries. My rule is to accept the most authoritative source so in this instance that means accepting Romeo Ionescu's figures where either none previously exist or he has an exact figure where there was previously a round figure.

The IFFHS published a book on the years 1955-60 with detailed match stats including attendances. This was supposed to be the start of a series but I'm unaware of any others.

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Post by HibeeJibee » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:21 pm

Personally I'd regard the SuperCup as 1983-84 - not 1982-83. OK, in that Aberdeen qualify for the SuperCup by merit of winning the Cup-Winners' Cup in 1982-83... but they qualified for the Cup-Winners' Cup through the Scottish Cup of 1981-82... so under that theory CWC & ESC are 1981-82!!

I'd include Rangers v Ajax... I don't see the situation with the first edition of the European SuperCup as markedly different to Fairs Cup/UEFA Cup, or International Football Cup/Intertoto Cup (not that the latter affects us here in Scotland). "Up for the Cup" (Jon Ladd) counts Rangers v Ajax too.

Personally I don't grant Intertoto special status, but admit many others do.

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