Scotland v Germany 1936 - Nazi Salute!

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Scotland v Germany 1936 - Nazi Salute!

Post by killiegradge » Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:20 pm

I have read a little of this in various history books. However I was wondering if there was any good information on the lead up to the game,the salute and also the reaction to this both in Scotland and internationally? I know we won 2-0 and it was played at Ibrox but not much more. Does anyone know if there are features in any books and I also don't recall much(if anything) being in the Hampden museum relating to the match?
I do think if nothing has been written it could make an interesting book? David?

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Post by Scottish » Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:34 am

The Glasgow Herald Page 11. "Sixty thousand people were saluted in Nazi fashion yesterday by eleven German footballers. The crowd liked it. They cheered.". If you go to the match report on Page 2 there's also a report of the all pals together dinner enjoyed after the game. The swastika was flown alongside the union jack for the game. There was a demonstration at half-time and two anti-Nazi protesters were arrested.

Being at home the Scottish players didn't have to reciprocate the salute, unlike the England team two years later in Berlin, under pressure from the Foreign Office, who were recorded for posterity making the infamous gesture Image.
Of course nowadays any Nazi salutes at Ibrox are more likely to come from the stands rather than the pitch.

Scotland don't possess any kind of moral superiority though. In 1977, under absolutely no political pressure and of their own volition the SFA sent a team to play in the national stadium in Santiago in Chile, a ground which less than four years previously had been used as an internment camp, where torture and random executions of democrats and anti-fascists had taken place.

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Post by ScottishFA » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:59 am

I wrote an article about this for Scottish Football Historian, back in the mid 1990s (issue 54). Here is my full text:


SWASTIKAS OVER IBROX

THERE IS a famous photo of the England football team giving the Nazi salute in Berlin in 1938. But less well known is the part Nazi politics played two years earlier, the last time a united Germany faced Scotland at Ibrox, on Wednesday, October 14, 1936.

The countries had only met once before, in 1929, when a makeshift all tartan Scotland team had drawn 1-1 in Berlin.

Yet despite the curiosity value, a crowd of 40,000 was much smaller than expected due to the political feeling about the game - even in 1936 there were strong misgivings about the Nazi regime, combined with bitter memories of the Great War.

The press even hinted that a demonstration was feared, but there were no signs of trouble on the day thanks to a heavy police presence. "Here were our enemies of a few years ago," one reporter wrote. "Were they fated to play the same role in the near future? Was this great gesture of sport a useless thing, already destined to be jeered at?"

Three days before the match the German party arrived at Renfrew Aerodrome and booked in at the Central Hotel before enjoying the time-honoured tradition of second house at the Pavilion. The next morning they went to Ibrox for a training session and were observed performing "a kind of goose-step, diverting the ball from one knee to the other". Sounds like keepy uppy!

As the game approached, the political overtones were rife. There was an atmosphere of having an unwanted guest to stay; no-one wanted to be rude and everyone ended up being overbearingly polite instead.

Mind you, Rangers and Scotland goalkeeper Jerry Dawson tried to make light of the situation: he dabbed a small black moustache on his upper lip and pulled his hair over his right eyebrow. "Dat's good fonny," a visitor remarked, trying hard not to show offence.

There was widespread suspicion that the German 'amateurs' were playing for more than just national pride after the humiliation of losing to Norway in their own Olympic Games. According to the Evening Dispatch: "The visitors will be keen to uphold the honour of their Fatherland, and as was the case with successful athletes at the Olympic Games there is no saying what reward will be meted out to the scorer of the winning goal should there be such luck for a German in the contest."

Rangers manager William Struth, familiar with most of the German players, said they did not have the finesse of Scottish footballers but were very fast, and their sudden bursts could rip open an opposing defence.

As it turned out, they could not have been more sporting opponents, and every time a German fouled an opponent he instantly extended his hand to receive the shake of forgiveness.

When the match came around, the start was delayed for 18 minutes, with the German party held up in heavy traffic. When the team eventually came out, they were wearing white shirts with red collars and cuffs, and black shorts - the Nazi colours; their shirt badge was a Nazi eagle.

The players lined up and gave a Nazi salute to the main stand to "loud applause", turned and saluted the opposite side, and again repeated the salute during both national anthems. The Scottish team refrained.

The visitors' actions, however, were echoed in the stand by about 500 Germans who had arranged a cruise to fit in this match with the weekend's encounter in Dublin against the Irish Free State. During both national anthems they stood to attention and gave the Nazi salute, as did the German press contingent, much to the bemusement of the Scottish reporters.

To make their politics entirely clear, the Germans had brought with them two large Nazi flags - red with a black swastika on a white circle - and these flew over the Ibrox stand together with a Union Jack.

At last the match could start. Playing attractive one touch football, the German forwards threatened the Scots goal regularly but nearly always failed to get a shot in, and when they did Dawson came to the rescue. Gellesch did have the ball in the net after just three minutes, but was marginally offside.

Scotland made few chances as they stuttered along, and reached half-time with the scoreline blank.

Stamina and experience paid off in the end, however, and Scotland's second half performance was enough to secure a 2-0 win with strikes from Celtic's Jimmy Delaney (67 and 83 mins), his first international goals.

Overall, it was a poor performance by Scotland who, although never in much danger of losing, failed to settle to a steady game. All the flair came from the visitors.

The Germans left the pitch with another Nazi salute to the crowd, and went on to Dublin where they lost 5-2. They can little have thought that it would be almost 60 years before a united German team again met Scotland in Glasgow. They would hardly recognise Ibrox, either, although the Union Jacks are still there.

Scotland: Dawson (Rangers), Anderson (Hearts), Cummings (Aston Villa), Massie (Aston Villa), Simpson (Rangers, captain), Brown (Rangers), Delaney (Celtic), Walker (Hearts), Armstrong (Aberdeen), McPhail (Rangers) and Duncan (Derby County).

Germany: Jakob (Jahn Regensburg), Munzenberg (Alemannia Aachen), Munkert (1FC Nurnberg), Janes (Fortuna Dusseldorf), Goldbrunner (Bayern Munich), Kitzinger (Schweinfurt 05), Elbern (SV 06 Beuel), Gellesch (Schalke 04), Siffling (SV Waldhof Mannheim), Szepan (Schalke 04) and Urban (Schalke 04).

Referee: Harry Nattrass (England).

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Re: Scotland v Germany 1936 - Nazi Salute!

Post by killiegradge » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:32 pm

Thanks for the article David-very interesting indeed. Hope you are over for the Cup Final next weekend?

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Re: Scotland v Germany 1936 - Nazi Salute!

Post by Scottish » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:35 pm

killiegradge wrote:Thanks for the article David-very interesting indeed. Hope you are over for the Cup Final next weekend?
The article was by Andy Mitchell, not me. Yes, I'm coming over for the final. I was thinking of taking in the Meadow-Bonnyrigg game the day before but I don't want to be accused of being a glory hunter :lol: So it'll be Troon v Annbank instead.

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Post by the hibLOG » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:53 am

scottish wrote: Image
I notice that this photo of the England team comes from the Daily Mail website. Presumably they offer prints for sale alongside pictures of Beckham and Bobby Charlton.
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Post by Scottish » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:36 am

the hibLOG wrote:I notice that this photo of the England team comes from the Daily Mail website. Presumably they offer prints for sale alongside pictures of Beckham and Bobby Charlton.
More likely their 1934 'Hurrah for the Blackshirts' edition.

Still, to be fair to them, they were ahead of the game when it came to Rangers predicament.
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