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Post by BOOMERANG » Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:44 am

Was just wondering if anybody knows when the draw for the league cup is and what dates they are to be played on thanks
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Post by HappyHibby » Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:14 pm

That's odd. All the league fixtures are out but nothing about the League Cup. The Scottish Football League's website is out of act. I've even checked the CIS site but there's nothing there about next season either.

Strange.

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SCOTTISH LEAGUE CUP

Post by LEATHERSTOCKING » Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:57 am

The Scottish League is waiting for the Wee Red Book to tell them the draw

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Post by bobby s » Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:17 pm

Maybe we should just guess the dates?
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Post by art vanderlay » Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:31 pm

Guess the dates and guess the ties as well by the looks of things

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Post by Scottish » Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:17 pm

I spoke to the League today and as of 5pm, June 30th they don't know when the draw will be made or which dates the ties will be played on.

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Conspiracy Theory?

Post by Lisbon67 » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:39 am

The SFA have announced they will hear an appeal from Dundee over the Kachloul affair and the BBC are saying that FIFA have sent a letter questioning the original SPL decision that Kachloul could have been signed on pro forms by Livvy.

What does this have to do with the League Cup draw?

Simple. Or maybe not that simple. The League Cup is seeded with the seeds being drawn alternately at home and away. At present positions 6-9 in the second round draw are held (in order) by Livingston, Dunfermline, Falkirk and Dundee, based on last year's positions and with Falkirk replacing Dundee as the 12th SPL side.

Now, IF Livingston were relegated after being docked points and Dundee reinstated these teams wouldn't just swap seeding positions. Positions 6-9 would then be in this order: Dunfermline, Dundee, Falkirk, Livingston. That's THREE changes in four seeding positions. If the draw had already been made it would have the potential to be thrown into chaos.

So my theory is that the SFL are hanging fire until the SFA sort this out. I'm NOT saying the SFA WILL relegate Livvy, just pointing out the consequences for the League Cup if they do.

None of this affects the Challenge Cup where Livvy would simply replace Dundee which is why they made that draw and not the League Cup as well

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Post by Scottish » Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:51 pm

You could be right. I know that last year they had contingency plans in place depending on whether it was Partick Thistle or ICT that was relegated.

That was straightforward though. It was either one or the other. The difference this time as you rightly point out is that it's not between last in the SPL and first in the 1st but between last in the SPL and 10th.

I still think nothing will come of it and that Dundee - rightly or wrongly - are down. Everything's too far advanced in terms of fixtures, signings etc to be altered now.

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Post by BOOMERANG » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:34 pm

CIS Cup Draw



CIS Insurance Cup first-round draw:

(To be played Tues 9 or Wed 10 August)

Alloa Athletic v Arbroath
Cowdenbeath v St Johnstone
Morton v A*r United
Brechin City v Partick Thistle
Albion Rovers v Gretna
Forfar Athletic v Ross County
Hamilton Academical v Dumbarton
East Fife v Stranraer
Stenhousemuir v Peterhead
Berwick Rangers v Elgin City
Raith Rovers v Airdrie United
Montrose v Clyde
East Stirlingshire v Queen's Park
Stirling Albion v Queen of the South

byes : Dundee and St. Mirren
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Post by Scottish » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:33 pm

Thanks Boomerang. I knew you'd get back to us :P


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Post by Lisbon67 » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:44 pm

So my conspiracy theory's right AND wrong. Right, cos there's no mention of a second round draw but wrong cos the top two in round one would always get a bye so there was no reason to leave it this late. Maybe they just forgot. Do you think Channel 5 will be up for Morton v Ayr :D That looks like the best of a poor bunch

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Post by Alan McCabe » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:15 pm

I know our 'gang of three' (the SFA, SPL & SFL) have hardly covered themselves in glory in the recent past as they seem to lurch from one catastrophic mess to another, but we're a long way short of really mucking cup draws up.....South American style!
I seem to recall the Argentinian FA drew a cup competition in the early 1990s much like our old League Cup grouped format. The intention had been to allow the top two clubs from the six sections of four to advance to the knockout stages. When a whole host of leading sides began to struggle and some small provincial clubs qualified at their expense, the Argentine FA (no doubt responding to worried TV executives) decided just prior to the groups' completion that all 24 clubs would qualify for the next round!!!
They then stated that the final group positions would be used to seed the draw for the knockout stages! Six weeks of matches meant precisely hee-haw and all the big teams went on to delight the TV moguls as the event progressed.
Even our confused administrators couldn't be that awful....or could they?

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Post by Scottish » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:27 am

No, our lot would be too busy preparing for court cases before a ball was kicked.

:P

We've already seen attempts at legal tampering. Going back to the early 70s there was a move to allow two teams from each LC group to progress. This was introduced after the Old Firm had been paired together a few times. Note that they didn't go as far then as to seed the draw (other than to keep 1st and 2nd div sides apart) because the OF wanted to split the proceeds from two big gates in the sectional matches as well as both reach the next stage.

Then there's the seeding, introduced when the tournament changed to a 'winner on the night' basis. More recently the teams in Europe started receiving byes to the last sixteen.

And not forgetting the British Cup, designed to be a TV extravaganza between the winners of the League Cup in Scotland and England and dropped hastily when the first match turned out to be not the OF v Man U/Arsenal/Chelsea/Liverpool but Livingston v Middlesbrough

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:44 am

I did a bit of research on the Semi Final Draws in the Domestic Cups up to 2002

Here's the draws where the OF were in the last 2 together.

Hot and cold balls anyone?

1892 SC TOGETHER
1894 SC APART
1899 SC APART
1900 SC TOGETHER
1902 SC APART
1904 SC APART
1905 SC TOGETHER
1909 SC APART
1925 SC TOGETHER
1926 SC APART
1928 SC APART
1929 SC APART
1948 SC APART
1952 LC TOGETHER
1954 SC APART
1958 LC APART
1960 SC TOGETHER

1962 SC APART
1963 SC APART
1965 LC APART
1966 LC APART
1966 SC APART
1967 LC APART
1969 SC APART
1971 LC APART
1971 SC APART
1972 SC APART
1973 LC APART
1973 SC APART
1974 LC TOGETHER
1976 LC APART
1977 LC APART
1977 SC APART
1978 LC APART
1979 LC TOGETHER
1980 SC APART
1981 SC APART
1983 LC APART
1983 SC APART
1984 LC APART
1987 LC APART
1989 SC APART
1990 LC APART
1991 LC APART

1992 SC TOGETHER
1993 LC APART
1994 LC TOGETHER
1996 SC TOGETHER
1998 SC TOGETHER
1999 SC APART
2001 LC TOGETHER
2002 LC TOGETHER
2002 SC APART
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Post by Ramalhete » Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:07 pm

Don't you think that the league cup would be more interesting without the Old Firm?

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