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Post by Scottish » Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:26 pm

The problem is that for a lot of SFL clubs a big slice of their income comes from the League Cup via the sponsors and the TV deal. Take away the Old Firm and you lose both sponsorship and TV coverage.

Sad but true

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Post by killiebred » Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:35 pm

Is it a coincidence that the gruesome twosome started meeting more regularly in the semi-finals since the draws started being televised?

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:50 pm

Scottish Cup 1926 to 1989

1926 SC APART
1928 SC APART
1929 SC APART
1948 SC APART
1954 SC APART
1960 SC TOGETHER
1962 SC APART
1963 SC APART
1966 SC APART
1969 SC APART
1971 SC APART
1972 SC APART
1973 SC APART
1977 SC APART
1980 SC APART
1981 SC APART
1983 SC APART
1989 SC APART

What happened in 1960? Did somebody get sacked in the SFA?
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Post by bobby s » Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:53 pm

This has an obvious answer :)

But,

is the chances of them being drawn together at the semi final stage 1/3. My first reaction was 1/2 but having done some scribbles.....
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Post by bobby s » Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:54 pm

Sat31March1928 wrote:Scottish Cup 1926 to 1989

1926 SC APART
1928 SC APART
1929 SC APART
1948 SC APART
1954 SC APART
1960 SC TOGETHER
1962 SC APART
1963 SC APART
1966 SC APART
1969 SC APART
1971 SC APART
1972 SC APART
1973 SC APART
1977 SC APART
1980 SC APART
1981 SC APART
1983 SC APART
1989 SC APART

What happened in 1960? Did somebody get sacked in the SFA?
Statistically, that's a very very improbable set of results isn't it?
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Post by Scottish » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:06 pm

I'm no mathematician but the possibilities are
A v B, A v C, A v D, B v C, B v D, C v D

The last three all correlate to the first three. If C plays D then A must meet B. B v D means A v C and B v C means A v D.

So the only true options are the first three - call one of them team A and the other team B and there's a one in three chance of A being drawn against B

Definitely looks fishy but the odds remain the same no matter how many times they fail to meet - still one in three.

It's like tossing a coin. If it comes up heads 99 times in succession there's still a 50/50 chance the 100th call will be heads again.

I think the TV idea has something to it. When was the draw first televised live? Certainly seems to have been a lot more OF semis since then

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:50 am

the odds of them being apart in a 'fair draw' is 2/3.

If it's 2 draws it would be 2*2 / 3*3 = 4 / 9

For 12 draws consecutively this would be

2*2 (12 times) / 3*3 (12) times

=4096 / 531441 = 0.007707347

about 130-1 against.
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Post by bobby s » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:32 pm

Sat31March1928 wrote:the odds of them being apart in a 'fair draw' is 2/3.

If it's 2 draws it would be 2*2 / 3*3 = 4 / 9

For 12 draws consecutively this would be

2*2 (12 times) / 3*3 (12) times

=4096 / 531441 = 0.007707347

about 130-1 against.
So, basically more chance of Hibs winning the League this year, and ten times more likely than Hibs winning the Scottish :evil:
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Post by Sat31March1928 » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:01 pm

bobby s wrote: ...... and ten times more likely than Hibs winning the Scottish :evil:
They're not that long ....

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Post by Scottish » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:15 pm

By comparison Liverpool and Everton have appeared together in the FA Cup semis nine times and been drawn together on four occasions and kept apart on five.

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