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Queen's Park in Copenhagen 1898

Post by Scottish » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:18 pm

Interesting article by Dr Matthew McDowell

http://scottishleisurehistory.wordpress ... eam-sheet/

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Re: Queen's Park in Copenhagen 1898

Post by jeroen » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:32 pm

The first club from the UK to play in the Netherlands was probably Harwich & Parkeston (14 March 1893) when they played against Sparta in Rotterdam. 3 weeks after that Sparta was the first Dutch club in the UK, again vs. Harwich.

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Re: Queen's Park in Copenhagen 1898

Post by John Meffen » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:23 pm

jeroen wrote:The first club from the UK to play in the Netherlands was probably Harwich & Parkeston (14 March 1893) when they played against Sparta in Rotterdam. 3 weeks after that Sparta was the first Dutch club in the UK, again vs. Harwich.
If you read the article further down, I corrected him, the Club was Clapton, played in Antwerp in 1890
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Re: Queen's Park in Copenhagen 1898

Post by jeroen » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:35 pm

I Noticed (Antwerp is in Belgium).

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Re: Queen's Park in Copenhagen 1898

Post by John Meffen » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:36 pm

jeroen wrote:I Noticed (Antwerp is in Belgium).
good point

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Re: Queen's Park in Copenhagen 1898

Post by John Meffen » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:47 pm

My info says first game was 27th Nov 1892. 3-0 to H&P

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Re: Queen's Park in Copenhagen 1898

Post by jeroen » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:46 pm

That would mean this report is not entirely accurate http://kranten.kb.nl/view/article/id/dd ... 22%3Aa0204 (3 weeks ago for the first time an English club visited our country to play a football game)
The 14 March 1893 match finished 8-1 for H&P http://kranten.kb.nl/view/article/id/dd ... 01%3Aa0001

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Re: Queen's Park in Copenhagen 1898

Post by John Meffen » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:15 pm

jeroen wrote:That would mean this report is not entirely accurate http://kranten.kb.nl/view/article/id/dd ... 22%3Aa0204 (3 weeks ago for the first time an English club visited our country to play a football game)
The 14 March 1893 match finished 8-1 for H&P http://kranten.kb.nl/view/article/id/dd ... 01%3Aa0001

one) mijn Nederlandse is particularly bad, [not as bad as my Mandarin], two) therefore I have no effing idea what that says.

If you believe what it says in a newspaper then you are a fool.

I have two different newspaper reports from the Falkirk Herald - one from Dec 1877, the other from Mar 1878 both of which claim the match was the first in Falkirk. Now, being into linear concepts I go with the 1877 report.

Do you see what I mean. Just because it was reported don't make it true

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Re: Queen's Park in Copenhagen 1898

Post by jeroen » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:04 pm

For your information I'm not someone who believes everything the papers, books or even football historians say. That's why I used the word probably, I've never studied this in detail.

75 years later this report says the match was played on 13 March 1893 and it finished 8-0.... http://kranten.kb.nl/view/article/id/dd ... 23%3Aa0384

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Re: Queen's Park in Copenhagen 1898

Post by John Meffen » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:33 am

just because you don't know or it is not in a dutch paper doesn't mean it didn't happen

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Re: Queen's Park in Copenhagen 1898

Post by jeroen » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:05 pm

Found a report on BNPA, Harwich played in Antwerp on 27-11-1892

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Re: Queen's Park in Copenhagen 1898

Post by John Meffen » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:43 pm

Ah, then sorry, sources have been muddled. No offence intended, it is clumsy researching old stuff, lots of misleading sources.

I still stand by the fact that newspapers were often incorrect [but there is not much we can go upon except reportage]

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