Player wages through history

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Re: Player wages through history

Postby Skyline Drifter » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:50 pm

Peterhead are very well paid for a League One club. A first team player there will be on nothing like £30 - £40 per week. More like 10 times that. In fact there won't be many established first team players in league football at all earning as little as £30 - £40. Even in league 2 it's more likely going to be £50 - £100 with the odd player on more.

Clearly though there will be young fringe players even up as far as the Championship earning £50pw or less.

In normal circumstances it's pretty unlikely a Celtic or Rangers will have any amateur players. Nobody is playing for Celtic's reserves for nothing. Celtic's development squad probably earn more than most championship players do. Other than scenarios relating to compensation claims (see Dumbarton's signing of Josh Todd in the summer on an amateur basis to avoid having to pay compensation to Annan) there are unlikely established first team level players playing amateur other than at Queens Park. There may be a handful of Development level ones though. At QoS for instance we have three lads from the u20's squad currently registered as amateurs. Tends to happen when they have decided to stay on at school to do 5th and 6th years rather than join a full time football programme but we're still keen to keep them on board.

From the club's point of view:
The advantages of an amateur registration (it is by definition NOT a contract) are clear - you don't pay them for working. You may of course pay them legitimate out of pocket expenses for attending training and games though.
The disadvantages are as you say, they offer no protection at all. At the end of an amateur registration (which is always 30th June each year unless parties mutually agree to cancel it earlier) the player is a free agent and can walk away with no compensation payable by any new side.

From the player's point of view the advantages and disadvantages are the other way around. The advantage is he is free to do what he chooses at the end of it which isn't the case with other u23's out of registration. Whilst a 24 year old can walk away at the end of a professional contract, players who are 23 or under and have been made a further contract offer see their clubs entitled to charge a fee which may well freeze them out of the game if nobody will pay it (see Josh Todd or Scott Fox cases). The disadvantage is no wages but expenses may be reasonably generous and in reality the sort of young players who generally have an amateur registration are not those who would otherwise be earning bucketloads of cash. It's the difference between earning nothing and earning something less than £50 per week, possibly a lot less. Outside top level a lot of Development team players are probably barely paid at all.

Queen's Park are an isolated and very different case and pretty much the only place where in general you may find over 23's on amateur registrations. It's basically tradition and semantics. I think their expenses scheme is fairly generous though and it may well be that their players effectively take home nearly as much payment as those at other part time clubs who are paid but don't get expenses for turning up. Or get a little less but the facilities they have access to make it attractive for them. Also worth noting, for those who are senior aged and actually have a full time job, if they are amateur then their expenses will paid to them tax free whilst a professional contract elsewhere will see all income taxed at whatever their prevailing tax rate is (usually 20%). If they earn enough to pay tax in a main job then that difference means Queens Park can pay 20% less expenses than wages and still leave the player no worse off. I am sure there are posters on here with better knowledge of Queens Park's system than I though.
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Re: Player wages through history

Postby Skyline Drifter » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:06 pm

1888games wrote:
In 'The First 100 Years' book, it is explained the league made a rule that amateur players could not be poached during the season. Is that still the case?

I don't think you can cancel a registration unilaterally anyway. It needs club and player to cancel it mutually. Otherwise it expires on 30th June next.

The transfer windows do not technically apply to amateurs as they are about professional registration. However, the SPFL will not allow an amateur player signed outwith the window who was registered to another club when the window closed to play first team football until the next window anyway. So for example if we wanted to sign a player from Queens Park, and they were happy to release him, we could sign him now (keeping him amateur as you cannot change playing status outwith a window) but we still wouldn't be allowed to play him in the first team. We could however field him below first team in Development League games. Not sure if the rules would allow him to play in the Scottish Cup which is not covered by SPFL rules. I haven't come across the situation to clarify it.
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Re: Player wages through history

Postby 1888games » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:52 pm

Thanks for your detailed explanations. I take your point on amateur players outside of Queen's Park, however the game does go back to 1890. So for the first few years everyone will be amateur and I read in 'First 100 years' that a lot of squads would be filled out with amateurs, especially the reserve sides playing in Division C.

It's clear how contracts currently work in the game isn't going to fit Scottish football and needs a rethink.
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Re: Player wages through history

Postby Partick Thistle » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:07 pm

I stumbled into a report from 1926 and thought of this thread so here's the link:
http://www.londonhearts.com/scores/imag ... 111311.htm
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Re: Player wages through history

Postby 1888games » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:51 am

Great stuff, thanks.

This raises another issue, what was the protocol for signing a player from a junior club? This seems to suggest that up to this point, junior clubs would not be paid a fee for their players. Was it case of once a player had committed to play at junior level for the season, he could not move until the following summer - similar to the rule introduced to stop professional clubs poaching Queen's Park players?
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Re: Player wages through history

Postby RobertB » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:27 pm

Would the fact Queens Park were in the same league set up not stop that with their players registered to play in that league were junior players werent? Regards junior players going senior it confuses me to this day.
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Re: Player wages through history

Postby Alan McCabe » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:32 pm

Did such a scenario not directly lead to formation of the Intermediate grade as junior clubs felt exposed to the ravages of the cherry-picking SFL and EFL clubs?
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