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Help with early history of Alloa Athletic

Postby 100groundsproject » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:12 pm

Afternoon all.

First time poster on this excellent site.

I’m researching the early years of Alloa Athletic and wondered if someone could help with the following:

CLUB NAME

According to some sources, including posts on here:

• Alloa Athletic started as Clackmannan County in 1878 renaming themselves as Alloa Association FC in 1879. Press called them Athletic because of the 'A' in their title and so the club decided to alter their name to Athletic.
• Alloa Athletic were an amalgamation of Alloa Western & Alloa County to form Clackmannan County later changed to Alloa Association then Alloa Athletic

Are these both true? I’ve never managed to find a reference to Alloa Western or Alloa County

• Alloa Athletic’s website states: Previous Names: Clackmannan County 1878-79, Alloa Association Football Club 1879-83, Alloa Athletic FC 1883 to date.
• Alick Milne's research suggests that the club was registered as Alloa Athletic between 1883 and 1921, when they joined the Scottish Football League and registered as "Alloa”. In 1997 the club applied to the Scottish Football League to formally adopt "Alloa Athletic" (Source: http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Scottis ... hletic.htm)

Which of these is true?

Interestingly, newspaper articles from 1895 – 1955, use “Alloa FC” and “Alloa Athletic” interchangeably. I’ve found this a lot in the reporting of the time with other clubs.

To cite a point:

The Dundee Courier of 17 April 1950, says “Tommy Lipton has been appointed nanager of Alloa F.C”.
The Dundee Evening Telegraph of 27 June 1950 says “Manager Tommy Lipton, of Alloa Athletic. Was present at the Fife Cup semi-final”

GROUND

Alloa played occasional games at the Recreation Grounds (as it was known) before making it their permanent home in 1895. ‘The Recs’ was also home to Alloa Hibernians and Alloa Hearts in the early 1890s.

When did The Recs first host football? And was it just a roped of pitch until Alloa joined the Scottish League?

Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: Help with early history of Alloa Athletic

Postby 100groundsproject » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:52 pm

A couple of other points of interest.

There appears to be a Clackmannan County dating back to 1873, playing the Rugby Code.

The Alloa Advertiser, 28 October 1882 has Clackmannan County v Stirling County playing on the same day as Alloa Athetic v King’s Park. (see attached)

I can only assume both codes were lumped under the ‘football’ heading.
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Re: Help with early history of Alloa Athletic

Postby bluedragon » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:57 pm

Brian McColl’s excellent club directory says a club called Clackmannan County (1878-1879) became Alloa Association (1879-1884). This club then merged with another club, Wellington, in 1884 to form the club that is today’s Alloa Athletic.

This new club was known as Alloa Association (1884-85) then Alloa Athletic (1885-1921) and then Alloa (1921-1998). This last name was what the club registered as with the Scottish League. However, they were still registered with the SFA as Alloa Athletic during this time. From 1998 it appears Alloa Athletic was adopted. To complicate matters the club’s registered name as a company was Alloa Football and Athletic Club. Limited. It was incorporated on 5 April 1919.
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Re: Help with early history of Alloa Athletic

Postby 100groundsproject » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:10 pm

bluedragon wrote:Brian McColl’s excellent club directory says a club called Clackmannan County (1878-1879) became Alloa Association (1879-1884). This club then merged with another club, Wellington, in 1884 to form the club that is today’s Alloa Athletic.

This new club was known as Alloa Association (1884-85) then Alloa Athletic (1885-1921) and then Alloa (1921-1998). This last name was what the club registered as with the Scottish League. However, they were still registered with the SFA as Alloa Athletic during this time. From 1998 it appears Alloa Athletic was adopted. To complicate matters the club’s registered name as a company was Alloa Football and Athletic Club. Limited. It was incorporated on 5 April 1919.


Very interesting. Thank you.

It seems the Wiki editors are as perplexed as I am by Alloa's early history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AAlloa_Athletic_F.C.

What can be said with some cetainty is that Alloa Athletic was being used (correctly or otherwise) in match reports prior to 1885.
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Re: Help with early history of Alloa Athletic

Postby Aten » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:58 am

This is probably going to be more of a hindrance than help. There is a report in the Glasgow Herald dated Monday, 7th February 1881. It states that a match took place between Alloa and Clackmannan County on the Saturday (5th February). The game took place at West End Park, Alloa and resulted in a 2-0 victory for Clackmannan County.

This would tend to suggest that they were two different clubs or a split at least.
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Re: Help with early history of Alloa Athletic

Postby Aten » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:45 pm

As a follow up to my previous post above, I have come across a report in the Glasgow Herald of Monday, 21st March 1881. This referred to a match between Alloa and Bridge of Allan played on the Saturday at West End Park, Alloa. It resulted in a 3-0 victory for Bridge of Allan.

Curiously enough a report in the following Monday’s edition (28th March), mentions a match played on Saturday, 26th March 1881 between Clackmannan County and Alva but this was a rugby match that ended in a draw. The game took place at West End Park but here the paper states Alva not Alloa.
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Re: Help with early history of Alloa Athletic

Postby J.S.Norway » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:17 pm

From Kjell Hanssen: The history of the Alloa Athletic F.C. from its commencement in 1880, right up to the present time, along with photographs, is to appear in tonight’s “Edinburgh Evening Dispatch,” and will be well worth perusal.
(Alloa Advertiser: September 26, 1908)
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Re: Help with early history of Alloa Athletic

Postby prorege » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:19 am

On the subject of the Alloa / Alloa Athletic conundrum, this appeared in the Alloa FC Match Programme on August 8th 1987 . .

"To avoid further confusion, we'd like to mention that the name of the club is simply ALLOA and not ALLOA ATHLETIC. The Athletic part was dropped way back in 1916 when the club went defunct for a week. Local businessmen were unable to restart the club under the Athletic name because of legal ties binding the name to the previous owners, so from then on the club was, and still is, known as Alloa FC".
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