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Juvenile Internationals

Postby soccerhistory » Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:53 pm

I came across a report today of what was described as a Juvenile International between Scotland and England. Scotland won 3-1 at Easter Road in front of a 6,000 crowd on 23 April 1938.

The match was described as the sixth of the series of games, with England represented by the Lancashire and District Association, although looking at the geographical spread of clubs it is possible this was a North West Lancashire selection of some sorts. Presumably the Scotland team was a representative side from the Juvenile FA?

Does anyone know anything more about these Juvenile Internationals? Did they die out after WW2 and were there other fixtures with say Ireland or Wales?
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Postby ScottishFA » Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:11 am

The Scottish Juvenile FA no longer exists, having become the Association of Scottish Youth Football Clubs in the 1990s, and then merged with various other bodies to form the Scottish Youth FA.

I have a handbook from the ASYFA for 1995/96, which usefully lists international games. The Scotland v England matches started in 1933-34 at Greenock, and with a break for the war carried on until 1951-52.

These are the results:
1933-34 Scotland 4, England 3 at Cappielow
1934-35 England 4, Scotland 1 at Old Trafford
1935-36 Scotland 3, England 3 at Cappielow
1936-37 England 7, Scotland 1 at Leeds
1937-38 Scotland 1, England 3 at Easter Road
1938-39 England 1, Scotland 3 at Giant Axe Field, Lancaster

1946-47 Scotland 4, England 1 at Rugby Park
1947-48 England 1, Scotland 3 at Giant Axe Field, Lancaster
1948-49 Scotland 4, England 0 at Dens Park
1949-50 Scotland 4, England 1 at Rugby Park
1950-51 no match
1951-52 Scotland 2, England 2 at Brockville

There were also various representative matches around that time, especially season 1947-48 when the Scottish Under Age XI played against the Newcastle United Nursery no fewer than five times. But no other 'full' internationals.

Then there was a long gap before any kind of representative games, before Scotland played games against the Boys Clubs of Wales or the Ulster Juvenile FA at U16 and U18 level in the 1980s and 1990s.
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Postby bigfatso » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:43 pm

My father played in what now appears to be the final Juvenile International played in 1952.

I have the team photo and an article from a local Falkirk paper listing the players from both sides. I was looking for a program for the game but I don't imagine one exists in the archives.
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Re: Juvenile Internationals

Postby bluedragon » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:45 am

Can anyone help please?

I am trying to find if a match scheduled to be played at Easter 1904 in Bradford by the Scottish Juvenile Football Association took place. The match was to be against either a Bradford & District or Yorkshire select.

The game was mooted in the early part of 1904 and the Scottish Junior Football Association gave their Juvenile counterparts £5 towards expenses. In February the Yorkshire newspapers were casting doubt as to whether they could raise a team that met the strict eligibility rules that applied to the Scottish team.

On the Pie & Bovril site there is a post of cap embroidered with “SJFA 1904”. We know the name of the player who was awarded the cap and have almost certainly ruled out the “SJFA” being “Scottish Junior Football Association” or “Stirlingshire Junior Football Association” and a Juvenile cap is the current favourite.

On the British Newspaper Archive I could only find the early talk about the match in February 1904.

If anyone can help in any way it would, as always, be very much appreciated.

Thank you.
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Re: Juvenile Internationals

Postby ScottishFA » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:16 pm

I would have guessed that the cap was for the Stirlingshire Juvenile FA, who played an annual match against Glasgow Juveniles (May 1904, April 1905). Unfortunately the matches are poorly reported, so no team lines.
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Re: Juvenile Internationals

Postby bluedragon » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:37 pm

Thanks Andy. With that clue I have found some passing but scant references to the Stirlingshire v Glasgow match. It appears to have been played on either 21 or 28 May 1904. The match in Yorkshire looks as if it never happened.

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Re: Juvenile Internationals

Postby Boabthe warrior » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:33 pm

The match which was to take place in Easter 1904 against the Scottish Juvenile Association was declined by the Executive of the Bradford and Distract Association in their meeting on 2nd March 1904 according to the "Bradford Daily Telegraph" 03/03/1904, page 5.
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Re: Juvenile Internationals

Postby bluedragon » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:04 am

Boabthe warrior wrote:The match which was to take place in Easter 1904 against the Scottish Juvenile Association was declined by the Executive of the Bradford and Distract Association in their meeting on 2nd March 1904 according to the "Bradford Daily Telegraph" 03/03/1904, page 5.


Thanks Boab. With that information,together with the other details we know, we can now be reasonably confident that the cap was awarded by the Stirlingshire Juvenile Football Association for the match against Glasgow in May 1904.

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