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Junior International records

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Re: Junior International records

Postby ScottishFA » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:03 pm

Yes, it's amazing that the birthdate of the captain of our most famous international team has been recorded wrongly for so long.

I could find no record of him playing for Third Lanark. He joined Partick Thistle from Denny Hibs in October 1913 after a couple of trials with the reserve side, and went almost straight into the first team. I suppose he could have played a trial with Third Lanark reserves but I've seen nothing in contemporary newspapers.
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Re: Junior International records

Postby bluedragon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:59 pm

Jimmy McMullan

Andy – thanks for the place and date of birth of each of the two Jimmy McMullans. Following the earlier posts we had made it clear that the Junior Internationalist and “Wembley Wizard” are different players but we have now added this new detail to make it even clearer.

We have now found forenames for:

McKay (Elmwood)

He is George Sheriff “Piper” McKay who went on to play for both Dundee clubs, East Fife and Morton.

Brooks (Benburb)

He is George Brooks who before the War had played for St Bernard’s, Clyde, King’s Park & Dunfermline Athletic. He joined Benburb before returning to the Senior ranks with Dumbarton & Falkirk.
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Re: Junior International records

Postby bluedragon » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:43 am

The recent addition of more editions of the “Scottish Referee” to the British Newspaper Archive has given us the opportunity to find some more forenames for early players and another match. We currently have 380 matches. We also still have plenty of gaps that we are trying to fill.

Here is our latest list (in rank order) of the thirty players who have played the most matches for Junior Scotland. The number of games shown after each player are: Total matches – International matches – Other matches. We have also added the span of these matches. For these purposes we have defined “International matches” as those played at various times since 1889 against select sides labelled as representing England, Ireland, Isle of Man, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland and Wales. In total there are 264 International matches. “Other matches” are exactly that and where the Junior team is titled SJFA XI/Junior Scotland. There are 116 of these matches.

It is an interesting list and it is worth pointing out Bert McNab (=6) and Davie Mair (=24) who appear on the list from the 1950’s. This was a period when, for a variety of reasons, players did not collect a large number of caps despite the opportunity being there with, on average, 3 to 4 matches a season. If “International matches” only are counted then Bert McNab shares first place with Jackie Myles.

As ever, please let us know of any questions, corrections, etc.

1 Davie Fulton (Arthurlie) 22-12-10 (1992-1999)
2 Tommy Ure (Linlithgow Rose) 18-12-6 (1975-1981)
=3 Derek McCulloch (Auchinleck Talbot) 16-11-5 (1997-2001)
=3 Bryan Smith (Petershill & Shettleston) 16-9-7 (1993-1998)
5 Alex Hendrie (Shotts Bon Accord) 15-12-3 (1981-1986)
=6 Norrie Fulton (Johnstone Burgh, Petershill & Pollok) 14-12-2 (1975-1981)
=6 Bert McNab (Petershill) 14-13-1 (1951-1955)
=6 Jackie Myles (Bonnyrigg Rose) 14-13-1 (1982-1988)
=6 Billy Spence (Kelty Hearts & Hill of Beath Hawthorn) 14-6-8 (1994-1997)
=6 Steven Stewart (Tayport) 14-8-6 (1997-2000)
=11 Gavin Duncan (Arthurlie) 13-8-5 (1996-1999)
=11 Dougie Freedman (Petershill & Cambuslang Rangers) 13-11-2 (1978-1981)
=11 Tommy Reynolds (Cumnock) 13-9-4 (1979-1982)
=11 Duncan Sinclair (Lesmahagow & Cumnock) 13-9-4 (1992-1998)
=15 John Chalmers (Lesmahagow) 12-10-2 (1978-1981)
=15 Bryan Dingwall (Maryhill & Pollok) 12-10-2 (2005-2010)
=15 Robert Downs (Arthurlie & Pollok) 12-11-1 (2003-2008)
=15 Dennis Gray (Auchinleck Talbot) 12-8-4 (1975-1980)
=19 Joe Carruth (Glenafton Athletic & Pollok) 11-9-2 (2000-2007)
=19 Gary Graham (Beith Juniors & Auchinleck Talbot) 11-7-4 (1994-1998)
=19 Ronnie Lowrie (Blantyre Victoria & Baillieston) 11-8-3 (1979-1982)
=19 Iain Ross (Lochee United) 11-10-1 (2005-2010)
=19 Willie Young (Auchinleck Talbot) 11-11-0 (1983-1988)
=24 Chris McKenzie (Camelon) 10-6-4 (1995-1997)
=24 Iain Ashcroft (Arthurlie & Pollok) 10-7-3 (1988-1997)
=24 Raymond Day (Cumnock) 10-9-1 (1989-1994)
=24 Marc Graham (Hill of Beath Hawthorn) 10-7-3 (1999-2008)
=24 Davie Mair (Stonehouse Violet) 10-8-2 (1952-1954)
=24 Mike McManus (Lochee Harp) 10-5-5 (1978-1989)
=24 Derek Wingate (Benburb & Irvine Meadow XI) 10-7-3 (2001-2007)
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Re: Junior International records

Postby ScottishFA » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:27 pm

One more name for the double international list (I think): Frank Murphy.

Scotland cap with Celtic, v Netherlands in May 1938.

Played for Scottish Junior League (v Irish Free State) and Scottish Junior Select (v Scottish Alliance) while with Croy Celtic in 1931/32.
Played for Scotland v Irish Free State while with Maryhill Hibs in 1932/33.
Then had a season with St Rochs (uncapped) before being called up to Celtic in April 1934 - he had signed provisional forms in autumn 1931.
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Re: Junior International records

Postby bluedragon » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:42 pm

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Re: Junior International records

Postby bluedragon » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:35 am

We are just about to finish Version 3 of a record of 405 matches (Internationals and other games) played by Junior Scotland from 1889. Can anyone help with some details of four matches against Senior clubs? They are:

3 April 1992 v Heart of Midlothian – Junior Scotland team, score, scorers and venue.

4 October 1993 v Raith Rovers XI - Junior Scotland team, score, scorers and venue.

8 March 1995 v Hamilton Academical XI at Prestonfield, Linlithgow - Junior Scotland XI that took the field (we have the squad), score and scorers.

Sometime on or before 21 February 2001 v Clyde XI - Confirmation of date, Junior Scotland team, scorers and venue.

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Re: Junior International records

Postby BMCCOLL » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:32 pm

Version 3 is now available for general download.

Because of some hosting issues I have created a new subsiduary site that will hopefully eventually contain as much Junior content as possible and this will host the Database.

The new site's address is...

with the link to the excel spreadsheet.

Thanks again to Douglas and Tom for creating such a comprehensive record and for allowing me to host it.
http://scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf
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Re: Junior International records

Postby cowdenbeather » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:43 pm

The goalkeeper listed as Charlie Wright of Rutherglen Glencairn says in the notes that John Litster has him as Ernest Wright. Ernest is correct - he is on Facebook and it highlights he was a goalkeeper for Rutherglen Glencairn in the 1960s and was capped in the 1960s. Charlie Wright played for Rutherglen Glencairn in the 1950s (farmed out by Rangers I think) and was the well known goalkeeper of Charlton Athletic for many years
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Re: Junior International records

Postby bluedragon » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:41 pm

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