Saturday 29th August 1970

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Post by kiwiscot » Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:24 am

On this date, my records show that only 8 Scottish 2nd Division games were played. The missing teams are Arbroath, Hamilton & Raith Rovers, obviously in a 19 team league one of these teams had a free Saturday. What I want to know was a league game played on that date between 2 of the said clubs, and I've missed it for some reason or was there a cancelation of a fixture, which seems strange for so early in the season. which was, in fact after the League Cup group matches was the first league Saturday of the season.

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Post by Alan McCabe » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:13 pm

Not entirely sure of the exact events but fairly confident that Hamilton had resigned from the Scottish League at this point. Financially broke, they were attempting to amalgamate with Clyde as a new entity named Strathclyde Academicals.
An eleventh hour board meeting saw the plan cancelled and the Accies restored to full member status.
Scottish Football Historian (Feb/Mar edition,No. 60) has full details.

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Post by Scottish » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:38 pm

Alan's spot on. The 'missing' fixture is Raith Rovers v Hamilton (Arbroath had the 'free' day) which was played on Saturday April 24th which was originally a 'free' day for Raith. Hamilton's scheduled match for that day - home v Stenhousemuir was played for reasons unknown to me on Wednesday February 20th.

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Post by kiwiscot » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:21 pm

Yea, I remember that proposed amalgamation, IIRC there was opposition from both sets of fans especially the Clyde contingent. Thanks for quick reply.

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Post by BMCCOLL » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:56 pm

Alan McCabe wrote:Financially broke, they were attempting to amalgamate with Clyde as a new entity named Strathclyde Academicals.
I remember the article well and what a joke name that would have been!

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Post by prorege » Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:07 am

From the Daily Record, 29/8/70:

“Clyde and Hamilton Accies shocked football yesterday by merging to play First Division football at Douglas Park from September 19th. Hamilton die immediately leaving Raith Rovers without a Second Division match this afternoon. Clyde will play Falkirk at Brockville today, Celtic at home next week and then go to Motherwell in midweek before moving out of Shawfield for good.The sudden decision to merge – it took only four days to decide – is the biggest upset in post-war Scottish football . . . So well kept in fact that the 16 £10 a week Hamilton players for whom the Scottish League will now try to find new clubs, will not be told officially about the change until they meet at 11 o’clock today for a game that won’t be played.Last night these points were made clear: Dog racing at Shawfield will continue as usual; the name of the new club will continue to be Clyde – at least for the season – because of administrative difficulties. Several names have been considered such as Strathclyde Accies; Archie Robertson will manage the linked-up Clyde, and the players, all from Clyde, will continue as part-timers.Clyde said they were moving out to the greater crowd potential of Hamilton to “avoid slow death”. They need to earn £40,000 a year to exist. Hamilton explained that all their creditors would be paid (believed to amount to between £5000 and £6000) and that the move was ‘for the benefit of both teams’. The link up between 101 year old Hamilton and Clyde was mooted in a phone chat between chairman Willie Dunn (Clyde) and John Crines (Hamilton) on Monday. Things moved swiftly from there with both boards – three strong Hamilton’s and Clyde’s seven – unanimous.”

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Post by kiwiscot » Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:18 pm

Thanks for the information . do you have any info on the fall out from supporters.

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Post by Scottish » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:47 pm

Bearing in mind this was almost forty years ago I don't claim my recollections to be exact but as far as I can recall it was Accies rather than Clyde fans that took it badly. Although the plan was to bring Clyde to Hamilton it was viewed by Hamilton fans as their club being taken over. There was vandalism and graffiti at Douglas Park after the announcement to withdraw from the league.

Bear in mind that this was just three years after the demise of Third Lanark and there were fears Clyde might be next to go. Clyde had been hit badly by demolition and slum clearance in their traditional areas of support and Hamilton had just finished bottom of the league. Twelve of Accies' home league games in 1969-70 had been below 500 and there was just one four-figure gate all season. And the OF apart, Clyde had just one attendance above 2,500 - and they were a top flight side!

IIRC there were also suggestions that Clyde should look at the New Towns of East Kilbride or Cumbernauld as better bets for a move.

There was also disquiet at the idea of top division football being parachuted in as it were to Hamilton. While their fans saw their club being taken over others took the reverse view and saw this as a club at the foot of the table automatically assuming 1st division status.

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Post by kiwiscot » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:31 am

Thanks to all, with their input. With hindsight meethinks East Kilbride for population and distance from Rutherglen/Oatlands would have been a better proposition than Cumbernauld.

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Post by BMCCOLL » Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:19 am

I recall that the original East Kilbride Thistle disbanded in the mid 1960s to leave the way for Clyde to move in. This also fell through and the Juniors reformed a few years later.

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Post by Scottish » Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:41 am

kiwiscot wrote:Thanks to all, with their input. With hindsight meethinks East Kilbride for population and distance from Rutherglen/Oatlands would have been a better proposition than Cumbernauld.
Even without hindsight. It was apparent at the time that EK was a better bet on the grounds you mention and IIRC Third Lanark also considered a move there.

In retrospect though the idea of professional football in Scotland's New Towns was a post-war chimera. Yes there was a huge influx of people into EK, Cumbernauld, Irvine, Glenrothes and Livingston (and also into smaller towns and villages) as what was known as the 'Glasgow overspill' decanted out of the city. But IMHO there were two main reasons for the comparative failure of league football to take root.

Firstly, the vast majority of those who moved and who were fitba fans already had strong allegiances and in the main these centred on two clubs (and I don't mean Thirds and Clyde). Living and working outwith Glasgow has never been a bar to supporting the OF and if it was never a problem being an OF supporter in towns that already had established league clubs then it was never going to be any different in towns without a league presence.

Secondly the moves to Cumbernauld and Livingston were made too late. By the mid-1990s the 'new' populations had been entrenched for a generation (as had their attitudes and prejudices) and the kids of that time were the grandchildren of those who had made the original moves. Perhaps it might have been different if clubs had been transplanted in the 1960s or 1970s but I suspect it wouldn't have made a great deal of difference.

In addition to the above some of the new towns (Glenrothes, Irvine) were already pretty damn close to existing clubs besides the OF and were unsuitable for clubs thinking of moving. The fact that the existing clubs in Fife and Ayrshire saw negligible increases (if any) in support also shows just how hard it was to overcome established prejudices.

All that said, it is still something of an oddity that an attempt was never made in EK. It's also fair to say that despite current problems Livingston has adopted its league club with far greater enthusiasm than has Cumbernauld. Then again Livingston FC made far greater efforts to win over the local population than did Clyde. Even in terms of name and stadium location. With Livingston there is a feeling that here at least is a club that tried to win over local people while with Clyde it looks more like they just expected grateful punters to turn up.

At the very least they should have changed the name to something like 'Cumbernauld Clyde' when they made the move.

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Post by kiwiscot » Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:35 pm

The Hibs V Third Lanark Scottish Cup Tie match programme from 5/2/66. The Programme editors notes on the back page on Third Lanark states this, Quote There has been a lot of speculation recently as to where Third Lanark's head-quarters will be next season -- Cathkin or East Kilbride. It's tough going for all the clubs in Glasgow with the exeption of Rangers and Celtic, and Thirds think a flitting would be in the best interests of the club. Unquote.

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Post by LEATHERSTOCKING » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:22 pm

There was also talk of Clyde moving from Shawfield to Hampden either sharing the big ground or having New Lesser upgraded.

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Post by kiwiscot » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:26 pm

David, gave the information that the missing fixture Raith Rovers V Hamilton was played on the 24/4 /71 again another Saturday when only 8, 2nd division games were played instead of 9 , ( Unuasual for that time of the year , when the weather is generally fine) .one of the 3 missing teams this time is Queens Park is it possible Scotland Amatuers played that day and they swapped fixtures to suit, I looked up the reversed coresponding fixtures from December 1970 to see who was meant to be playing who and low and behold it was the Scottish Cup 2nd round and only 2 ,Second Division fixtures were played that day (19/12/70 )

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Post by LEATHERSTOCKING » Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:30 pm

I`m unclear as to which date you`re looking at.

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