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Killie 13 Saltcoats 2

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:55 am
by Gunboat Briggs
No doubt answering this one should please you David!

Regarding the above result which the League Review lists as Killie's record victory, supposedly in a Scottish Cup tie on 12/9/1896. While knocking together some stats on various club's record victories, I noticed that the cup proper didn't start until January that season and Saltcoats don't feature in it anywhere.

I'm guessing therefore this was actually a Qualifying Cup tie, or was it possibly Ayrshire Cup or something else? Would be grateful for some details...

Re: Killie 13 Saltcoats 2

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:40 am
by Scottish
Gunboat Briggs wrote:No doubt answering this one should please you David!
Oh yes :D :D :D

This was a 2nd round Scottish Qualifying Cup tie. Match reports are difficult to come by as the local paper treated the game with some disdain, commenting " 'twould be a waste of space detailing a game so one-sided." The legendary (for Killie anyway) James 'Bummer' Campbell scored eight of the goals, McAvoy, McLean and Richmond all scored once and two of the scorers are unknown.

Although Kilmarnock played in the early 'qualifying' rounds in 1893-94 and 1894-95 this was the only occasion they played in the actual Qualifying Cup (which started in 1895-96) and they boast a 100% record in the competition. They'd already beaten Lugar Boswell 6-2 in the opening round and followed up the win over Saltcoats Vics with a 7-1 thrashing of Ayr. That was at home as was the 4th round 4-2 win over Hurlford.

In the quarter-finals they beat Partick Thistle 5-2 away then returned home to eliminate Dunblane 2-0. In the Hampden final on Dec 5th 1896 they beat Motherwell 4-1 in front of a crowd of over 4,000 to win their first national trophy though a club official commented "although a fine piece of silverware it is not to be compared to the Ayrshire Cup."

Nevertheless the reception for the winning side was said to be the "most enthusiastic since Kilmarnock Bowling Club won the Scottish Rink Competition."

They scored 41 goals in seven matches with Campbell claiming 18 of them. The 'Bummer' scored a further nine goals in the Scottish Cup proper (not counting a protested and replayed game v Falkirk) where Killie reached the semi-finals (Campbell scored a hat-trick for the losing team) to take his total to 27 from 12 games, having scored in 11 of these.

One of the players - Ritchie McAvoy - was unavailable for the team photo with the trophy so club secretary Charles Smith - a former player - donned a strip and replaced him. Not quite as cheeky as it sounds as officials of all clubs insisted on taking part in official photos at that time.

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:42 am
by bobby s

However, Saltcoats did not stay long in the junior grade and were to be found playing as seniors in the 1890's, though their time at this level brought little reward. One honour that can be traced to them was the winning of the Ayrshire league in 1894. They also gave Kilmarnock their record win in a Scottish Cup qualifying match in 1896 when the 'Vics' lost by 13 goals to 2. Victoria eventually closed down and did not reappear until 1911.

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:51 am
by Scottish
Just had a look at that link Bobby. I don't really wish to offend anyone who hails from sunny Saltcoats, having spent many an enjoyable five minutes or so in that fair town. But a link to the public toilets???

Re: Killie 13 Saltcoats 2

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:36 pm
scottish wrote:local paper treated the game with some disdain, commenting " 'twould be a waste of space detailing a game so one-sided."
The Scottish Football Historian reproduced this 'report' many years ago. It's hard to believe John Litster's quarterly will celebrate its 100th issue, and its 25th year, in 2007.