Scottish Cup 1st round info - worse than ever

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Re: Scottish Cup 1st round info - worse than ever

Post by Scottish » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:15 am

Thanks Bobby. I wasn't sure if their own facilities came up to SFA standards. Mind you, it's nearly 40 years since I last saw them so I suppose they could have been upgraded in the meantime!

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Re: Scottish Cup 1st round info - worse than ever

Post by Skyline Drifter » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:47 pm

scottish wrote:However there are four clubs which appear to be impossible to contact. Emails are bounced back from both Edinburgh & Glasgow University FC's websites and neither Gala Fairydean nor Wigtown & Bladnoch appear to have any web presence at all. If anyone has any other contact details short of writing a letter - so very 20th century -I would appreciate it.
There are email addresses for the club secretary of all four clubs in the current Scottish FA Handbook.

Link http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/d ... ectory.pdf

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Re: Scottish Cup 1st round info - worse than ever

Post by ScottishFA » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:00 pm

Stirling Uni facilities are still pretty basic, not up to SFA membership standards and they only got into the Scottish Cup because they won the East of Scotland League. If they had been given a 'big' club in the draw they would have played at Forthbank.

There is a good selection of photos of the Bonnyrigg match on their website: http://www.stir.ac.uk/footballclub/matc ... 16-en.html
and I note the match report gives the attendance as a very precise 593.

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Re: Scottish Cup 1st round info - worse than ever

Post by Scottish » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:15 pm

Skyline Drifter wrote: There are email addresses for the club secretary of all four clubs in the current Scottish FA Handbook.

Link http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/d ... ectory.pdf
Many thanks. Have downloaded and emailed to respective secretaries.

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Re: Scottish Cup 1st round info - worse than ever

Post by Scottish » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:17 pm

ScottishFA wrote:Stirling Uni facilities are still pretty basic, not up to SFA membership standards and they only got into the Scottish Cup because they won the East of Scotland League. If they had been given a 'big' club in the draw they would have played at Forthbank.
I had thought their facilities would have forced a change regardless but seemingly not. So it remains the case that if they finish, say, runners-up in the EoSL this season they won't be eligible next year?
ScottishFA wrote: I note the match report gives the attendance as a very precise 593.
That's a whole five fewer than reported!

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Re: Scottish Cup 1st round info - worse than ever

Post by Scottish » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:16 pm

John Snedden from Preston Athletic tells me the official figure for the 1st round tie v Nairn County this season was 181. He gives an estimate of 100 for the 1st round match v Gala Fairydean in 2008-09. He also reckons the match v Hamilton Accies in 2002-03 was over 1,000 and Stenhousemuir in 2006-07 was over 500. The figures for those games that I have are 973 and 365 respectively and those are official SFA figures.

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Re: Scottish Cup 1st round info - worse than ever

Post by Scottish » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:26 pm

Slowly but surely we're getting there. Finlay Noble, Chairman/Secretary of Fraserburgh tells me that the crowd v Coldstream in their 1st round match this season was 278.

He has also given me a number of corrections to previously issued figures. These are (with the previously published figures in brackets):

1,025 v Clachnacuddin 30/12/1981 (950)
1,617 v St Johnstone 9/1/1988 (1,500)
2,721 v Cove Rangers 29/12/1990 (2,500)
293 v Clyde 13/12/1997 (270)
268 v Hawick Royal Albert 7/9/08 (270)
446 v Bonnyrigg Rose 26/9/09 (430)
322 v St Cuthbert Wanderers 25/9/10 (350)

Unfortunately Finlay can't go back any further than that as, like so many clubs, earlier records have been lost in a fire.

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Re: Scottish Cup 1st round info - worse than ever

Post by Scottish » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:54 pm

From Glasgow University & Whitehill Welfare (all 1st round or 1st round replay):

Glasgow Uni v Vale of Leithen 2008-09 100
Wigtown & Bladnoch v Whitehill 2009-10 120
Edinburgh Uni v Whitehill 2011-12 250 (this was the given figure though Whitehill think it's a bit on the high side)

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Re: Scottish Cup 1st round info - worse than ever

Post by Scottish » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:45 am

scottish wrote: Glasgow Uni v Vale of Leithen 2008-09 100
Official figure for this match is 156 (123 paying + 33 comps)

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Re: Scottish Cup 1st round info - worse than ever

Post by Scottish » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:21 am

Two more for this season not previously reported AFAIK. 1st round Spartans v Wick 289. 2nd round Clyde v Nairn 537 (not 740 as widely reported).

Outstanding matches this season as far as attendances are concerned are:

Prel Round
Fort William v Preston Athletic

1st round
Civil Service Strollers v Newton Stewart
Clachnacuddin v Lossiemouth
Edinburgh University v St Cuthbert Wanderers
Huntly v Wigtown & Bladnoch
Turriff United v Burntisland Shipyard

1st round replays
Rothes v Buckie Thistle
Wigtown & Bladnoch v Huntly

As usual, if anyone has any crowd information on these games please post here.

Here's a summary of what I'm still looking for from previous seasons since the current format was introduced. All 1st round or replays.

2007-08
NONE

2008-09
Edinburgh University v Civil Service Strollers
Selkirk v Coldstream
Coldstream v Selkirk

2009-10
Coldstream v Edinburgh City
Hawick Royal Albert v Huntly
Selkirk v Preston Athetic

2010-11
Civil Service Strollers v Wigtown & Bladnoch
Newton Stewart v Preston Athletic

2011-12
Wigtown & Bladnoch v Preston Athletic

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Re: Scottish Cup 1st round info - worse than ever

Post by Scottish » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:28 pm

More additions/amendments courtesy of Nairn County. These figures as for Nairn home matches. (figure in brackets is previous figure)

10/9/1955 Inverness Caledonian 1950 (0)
26/9/2009 Golspie Sutherland 201 (150)
24/10/2009 Elgin City 650 (600)
2/10/2010 Rothes 201 (175)
23/10/2010 Cove Rangers 236 (250)
24/9/2011 Selkirk 271 (350)
6/10/2012 Clyde 595 (450)

All new figures except first and last include 75 comps. No figure for complimentaries for first on list and 100 for Clyde.

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Re: Scottish Cup 1st round info - worse than ever

Post by Alan McCabe » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:01 am

For Hawick RA v Huntly in 2009-10 I have it listed as 250. Don't have the source but I recall there was a fair bit of news coverage after it was claimed there were unusual betting patterns on the match. It must have been in one of these reports that I found it although it is almost certainly a guess-timate.

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Re: Scottish Cup 1st round info - worse than ever

Post by Scottish » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:54 am

I remember the betting controversy. Happy to take the figure, which means there are now as many outstanding for this season alone (eight) as for the past five seasons combined. I've written to every club but some of the ones outstanding are clubs which have a fill-in form on their website so it may take some time to get a response.

If nothing in a month or so's time, I'll contact secretaries direct.

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