Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Scottish » Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:14 pm

bluedragon wrote:Thanks Snuff. From a personal view it is noticeable that I am starting to see a couple of names who I can vaguely remember in the autumn of their playing careers but more vividly as managers.


When I see 1960s internationalists, in the form of Ian McMillan, start to appear on the list it is a sign that tempus is indeed fugiting. And far too fast for my liking!
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby football2011 » Mon May 11, 2015 9:05 pm

John Hewie has died today aged 87.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby bluedragon » Tue May 12, 2015 6:20 am

football2011 wrote:John Hewie has died today aged 87.


That is sad news. "Long John" Hewie was a long-serving Charlton Athletic player who was "Mr Versatility" as he played in every position for the club apart from the wing. During his Scotland career he was nominated as penalty taker as well as stand-in goalkeeper!

Snuff - I have sent you a PM.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby ScottishFA » Tue May 12, 2015 9:35 am

Love this interview he did in 2006:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/even-after-nearly-50-years-i-can-still-picture-it-hitting-the-post-419021.html

Seems like his final years were a trial, though, suffering from dementia in a Lincolnshire nursing home.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby LEATHERSTOCKING » Tue May 12, 2015 8:05 pm

The newspaper article seems to suggest he first visited Scotland for his first full International(vs. England @ Hampden in 1956) but his first trip to the land of his parents was actually to play for the B team also vs. England @ Easter Road in 1953.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Snuff » Tue May 12, 2015 8:53 pm

Leatherstocking wrote:

The newspaper article seems to suggest he first visited Scotland for his first full International(vs. England @ Hampden in 1956) but his first trip to the land of his parents was actually to play for the B team also vs. England @ Easter Road in 1953.


Fear not - the official Herald and Scotsman obituaries will clarify the position.

Unfortunately, I am having difficulty digging my team sheet out of my old computer's hard drive to transfer to my new machine, but, I will amend the Golden Oldies' XI ASAP.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Snuff » Tue May 12, 2015 9:08 pm

As far as I can ascertain: Revised line-up is:

Bobby Brown (Rangers) - three caps – 1946/47 : 1951-52: d.o.b. 19/03/1923

Sammy Cox (Rangers) – 25 caps – 1947-48 : 1953-54: d.o.b. 13/04/1924

Johnny MacKenzie (Partick Thistle) – nine caps - 1953-54 : 1955-56: d.o.b. 04/09/1925

Jock Aird (Burnley) – four caps – 1953-54: d.o.b. 18/02/1926

Doug Cowie (Dundee) - 20 caps - 1952-53 : 1957-58: d.o.b. 01/05/1926

Tommy Docherty (Preston NE and Arsenal) - 25 caps - 1951-59: d.o.b. d.o.b. 28/04/1928

Johnny Little (Rangers) – two caps – 1951-52: d.o.b. 08/07/1930

Ian McMillan (Airdrieonians and Rangers) – six caps – 1952-61: d.o.b. 18/03/1931.

John Grant (Hibernian) – two caps – 1958-59: d.o.b. 16/06/1931

Mike Cullen (Luton Town) – one cap – 1955-56: d.o.b. 03/07/1931

Jimmy Murray (Hearts) - five caps - 1957-58: d.o.b. 02/02/1933
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Snuff » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:45 pm

With the sad passing on Friday of Jimmy Murray of Hearts - the first Scotland player to score in the World Cup Finals, when he bagged our equaliser against Yugoslavia, in Vasteras - there is a new guy in our Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists First XI.

Former Arsenal and Manchester United centre-forward David Herd comes in to replace Murray

The revised line-up is:

Bobby Brown (Rangers) - three caps – 1946/47 : 1951-52: d.o.b. 19/03/1923

Sammy Cox (Rangers) – 25 caps – 1947-48 : 1953-54: d.o.b. 13/04/1924

Johnny MacKenzie (Partick Thistle) – nine caps - 1953-54 : 1955-56: d.o.b. 04/09/1925

Jock Aird (Burnley) – four caps – 1953-54: d.o.b. 18/02/1926

Doug Cowie (Dundee) - 20 caps - 1952-53 : 1957-58: d.o.b. 01/05/1926

Tommy Docherty (Preston NE and Arsenal) - 25 caps - 1951-59: d.o.b. 28/04/1928

Johnny Little (Rangers) – two caps – 1951-52: d.o.b. 08/07/1930

Ian McMillan (Airdrieonians and Rangers) – six caps – 1952-61: d.o.b. 18/03/1931.

John Grant (Hibernian) – two caps – 1958-59: d.o.b. 16/06/1931

Mike Cullen (Luton Town) – one cap – 1955-56: d.o.b. 03/07/1931

David Herd (Arsenal and Manchester United - five caps - 1958-61: d.o.b. 15/04/1934

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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Snuff » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:00 am

With the sad passing of Sammy Cox, I have once again been forced to make a change to our "First XI" of the oldest-surviving Scottish internationalists.

This change has a kind of symmetry to it, one Ayrshire-born former Rangers full-back coming in for another. The new "Cap" is Eric Caldow. Sadly, Eric, like Sammy, has been afflicted by Alzheimer's and I understand, from a chat with a member of the Caldow family last week, he is not doing well.

The revised line-up is:

Bobby Brown (Rangers) - three caps – 1946/47 : 1951-52: d.o.b. 19/03/1923

Johnny MacKenzie (Partick Thistle) – nine caps - 1953-54 : 1955-56: d.o.b. 04/09/1925

Jock Aird (Burnley) – four caps – 1953-54: d.o.b. 18/02/1926

Doug Cowie (Dundee) - 20 caps - 1952-53 : 1957-58: d.o.b. 01/05/1926

Tommy Docherty (Preston NE and Arsenal) - 25 caps - 1951-59: d.o.b. 28/04/1928

Johnny Little (Rangers) – two caps – 1951-52: d.o.b. 08/07/1930

Ian McMillan (Airdrieonians and Rangers) – six caps – 1952-61: d.o.b. 18/03/1931.

John Grant (Hibernian) – two caps – 1958-59: d.o.b. 16/06/1931

Mike Cullen (Luton Town) – one cap – 1955-56: d.o.b. 03/07/1931

David Herd (Arsenal and Manchester United - five caps - 1958-61: d.o.b. 15/04/1934

Eric Caldow (Rangers) - 40 caps - 1957-1963: d.o.b. 14/05/1934
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby bluedragon » Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:04 am

Thanks Snuff. I am sorry to hear about Eric Caldow’s health. I have a vivid recollection of seeing the newsreel or perhaps TV coverage of him being stretchered up the steps of an aircraft at Heathrow a couple of days after breaking his leg at Wembley in 1963. I think the seriousness of his injury made an impact on me. Off at a tangent but Eric Caldow had a short spell as manager of non-league Corby Town in England commonly referred to as “Little Scotland”! Eric managed to entice a Rangers Reserve team to travel to play a pre-season friendly in August 1968. The Rangers team were apparently escorted to the ground through the streets led by the local pipe band. Eric had some Scots in his team including Bertie Black ex Killie and Harry Fallon ex St Johnstone. The Rangers team included Roger Hynd, Bobby Watson and Alfie Conn and other players better known at other clubs - Murray McDermott and Brian Heron. Corby Town won 2:1. I think the connection is still strong and Rangers hanselled Corby’s new ground a few years ago.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Rob R » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:12 am

I just see that Greame Leggat has died , he was a month younger than Eric Caldow.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Rob R » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:17 am

That should have been Graham , not Greame .
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Vasco » Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:34 am

As with the newspaper article in the Daily Ranger on Saturday, most folk use the wrong spelling for the "Firhill Flyer".

It is Johnny MACKENZIE, not Mc.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Partick Thistle » Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:05 pm

Vasco wrote:As with the newspaper article in the Daily Ranger on Saturday, most folk use the wrong spelling for the "Firhill Flyer".

It is Johnny MACKENZIE, not Mc.

Aye, but is it Mackenzie or MacKenzie?
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby ScottishFA » Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:10 pm

I refer you to the Evening Citizen Autograph Club, 1955, in an era when you could actually read player signatures. He signed his photo J MacKenzie.
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