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Post by Alans » Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:30 pm

Hi, when was the last time neither of the Old Firm reached the Final, or the Semi Finals of both the Scottish Cup & the Scottish League Cup in the same season ?

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Post by Scottish » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:04 pm

For semi-finals it's never happened. Post-war the Old Firm have failed to reach the semis of the Scottish Cup in these seasons:

1946-47
1951-52
1967-68
1985-86
1986-87
2005-06

And in the League Cup:
1950-51
1954-55
1959-60
1979-80


Only two seasons when there's been no OF Finalist

1958-59 - SC St Mirren & Aberdeen, SLC Hearts & Partick Thistle
1985-86 - SC Aberdeen & Hearts, SLC Aberdeen & Hibs

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:12 pm

Just building my Database query

LC has happened 4 times

1951 Ayr United LC
1951 Hibernian LC
1951 Motherwell LC
1951 Queen of the South LC

1955 Airdrieonians LC
1955 East Fife LC
1955 Heart of Midlothian LC
1955 Motherwell LC

1960 Arbroath LC
1960 Cowdenbeath LC
1960 Heart of Midlothian LC
1960 Third Lanark LC

1980 Aberdeen LC
1980 Dundee United LC
1980 Hamilton Accies LC
1980 Morton LC
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Post by Sat31March1928 » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:16 pm

Scottish Cup. Obviosuly pre 1888 wont have Celtic in.

1874 Blythswood SC
1874 Clydesdale (Glasgow) SC
1874 Queens Park SC
1874 Renton SC

1875 Clydesdale (Glasgow) SC
1875 Dumbarton SC
1875 Queens Park SC
1875 Renton SC

1876 Dumbarton SC
1876 Queens Park SC
1876 Third Lanark SC
1876 Vale of Leven SC

1878 Bye SC
1878 Renton SC
1878 Third Lanark SC
1878 Vale of Leven SC

1880 Dumbarton SC
1880 Pollokshields Athletic SC
1880 Queens Park SC
1880 Thornliebank SC

1881 Bye SC
1881 Dumbarton SC
1881 Queens Park SC
1881 Vale of Leven SC

1882 Cartvale SC
1882 Dumbarton SC
1882 Kilmarnock Athletic SC
1882 Queens Park SC

1883 Dumbarton SC
1883 Kilmarnock Athletic SC
1883 Pollokshields Athletic SC
1883 Vale of Leven SC

1885 Cambuslang SC
1885 Hibernian SC
1885 Renton SC
1885 Vale of Leven SC

1886 Hibernian SC
1886 Queens Park SC
1886 Renton SC
1886 Third Lanark SC

1887 Dumbarton SC
1887 Hibernian SC
1887 Queens Park SC
1887 Vale of Leven SC

1888 Abercorn SC
1888 Cambuslang SC
1888 Queens Park SC
1888 Renton SC

1890 Abercorn SC
1890 Queens Park SC
1890 Third Lanark SC
1890 Vale of Leven SC

1891 Abercorn SC
1891 Dumbarton SC
1891 Heart of Midlothian SC
1891 Third Lanark SC

1895 Dundee SC
1895 Heart of Midlothian SC
1895 Renton SC
1895 St Bernards SC

1896 Heart of Midlothian SC
1896 Hibernian SC
1896 Renton SC
1896 St Bernards SC

1906 Heart of Midlothian SC
1906 Port Glasgow Athletic SC
1906 St Mirren SC
1906 Third Lanark SC

1913 Clyde SC
1913 Falkirk SC
1913 Heart of Midlothian SC
1913 Raith Rovers SC

1924 Aberdeen SC
1924 Airdrieonians SC
1924 Falkirk SC
1924 Hibernian SC

1939 Aberdeen SC
1939 Clyde SC
1939 Hibernian SC
1939 Motherwell SC

1947 Aberdeen SC
1947 Arbroath SC
1947 Hibernian SC
1947 Motherwell SC

1952 Dundee SC
1952 Heart of Midlothian SC
1952 Motherwell SC
1952 Third Lanark SC

1968 Dunfermline Athletic SC
1968 Heart of Midlothian SC
1968 Morton SC
1968 St Johnstone SC

1986 Aberdeen SC
1986 Dundee United SC
1986 Heart of Midlothian SC
1986 Hibernian SC

1987 Dundee SC
1987 Dundee United SC
1987 Heart of Midlothian SC
1987 St Mirren SC
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Post by Alans » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:18 pm

OK, thanks for that info.

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:20 pm

For QFs

1874 Alexandria Athletic SC
1874 Blythswood SC
1874 Clydesdale (Glasgow) SC
1874 Dumbarton SC
1874 Eastern SC
1874 Queens Park SC
1874 Renton SC
1874 Third Lanark SC

1875 Bye SC
1875 Clydesdale (Glasgow) SC
1875 Dumbarton SC
1875 Eastern SC
1875 Queens Park SC
1875 Renton SC
1875 Rovers SC
1875 Third Lanark SC

1876 Bye SC
1876 Dumbarton SC
1876 Dumbreck SC
1876 Queens Park SC
1876 Rovers SC
1876 Third Lanark SC
1876 Vale of Leven SC
1876 Western SC

1878 Bye SC
1878 Mauchline SC
1878 Parkgrove SC
1878 Renton SC
1878 South Western SC
1878 Third Lanark SC
1878 Vale of Leven SC

1880 Bye SC
1880 Dumbarton SC
1880 Hibernian SC
1880 Pollokshields Athletic SC
1880 Queens Park SC
1880 South Western SC
1880 Third Lanark SC
1880 Thornliebank SC

1883 Arthurlie SC
1883 Dumbarton SC
1883 Kilmarnock Athletic SC
1883 Partick Thistle SC
1883 Pollokshields Athletic SC
1883 Queens Park SC
1883 Third Lanark SC
1883 Vale of Leven SC

1886 Bye SC
1886 Cambuslang SC
1886 Hibernian SC
1886 Queens Park SC
1886 Renton SC
1886 Third Lanark SC

1887 Dumbarton SC
1887 Hibernian SC
1887 Hurlford SC
1887 Kilmarnock SC
1887 Port Glasgow Athletic SC
1887 Queens Park SC
1887 Third Lanark SC
1887 Vale of Leven SC

1888 Abercorn SC
1888 Arbroath SC
1888 Cambuslang SC
1888 Dundee Wanderers SC
1888 Our Boys (Dundee) SC
1888 Queens Park SC
1888 Renton SC
1888 Vale of Leven Wanderers SC

1890 Abercorn SC
1890 East End (Dundee) SC
1890 Hibernian SC
1890 Kilbirnie SC
1890 Leith Athletic SC
1890 Queens Park SC
1890 Third Lanark SC
1890 Vale of Leven SC

1924 Aberdeen SC
1924 Airdrieonians SC
1924 Ayr United SC
1924 Falkirk SC
1924 Heart of Midlothian SC
1924 Hibernian SC
1924 Partick Thistle SC
1924 St Bernards SC

1947 Aberdeen SC
1947 Arbroath SC
1947 Dumbarton SC
1947 Dundee SC
1947 East Fife SC
1947 Heart of Midlothian SC
1947 Hibernian SC
1947 Motherwell SC

1987 Clydebank SC
1987 Dundee SC
1987 Dundee United SC
1987 Forfar Athletic SC
1987 Heart of Midlothian SC
1987 Motherwell SC
1987 Raith Rovers SC
1987 St Mirren SC
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Post by Scottish » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:21 pm

And this year is only the fourth time since the establishment of the league that neither have made the last eight - 1924, 1947, 1987, 2006.

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:21 pm

For the League Cup there is only once that they have not reached the QF i.e. qualified out of the then group stages.

1960 Arbroath LC
1960 Cowdenbeath LC
1960 East Fife LC
1960 Falkirk LC
1960 Heart of Midlothian LC
1960 Motherwell LC
1960 Raith Rovers LC
1960 Third Lanark LC
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Post by Sat31March1928 » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:30 pm

before you ask in 1959-60

Celtic finished 3rd in a group with

Raith Rovers 10 pts
Airdrie 6 pts
Celtic 5 pts
Partick 3 pts

Rangers 2nd out of

Motherwell 12 pts
Rangers 8 pts
Dundee 4 pts
Hibs 0 pts
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Post by Sat31March1928 » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:34 pm

Results that season were

Sat 08 Aug 1959 Partick Thistle 0 Airdrieonians 0
Sat 08 Aug 1959 Raith Rovers 2 Celtic 1
Wed 12 Aug 1959 Airdrieonians 2 Raith Rovers 3
Wed 12 Aug 1959 Celtic 1 Partick Thistle 2
Sat 15 Aug 1959 Airdrieonians 4 Celtic 2
Sat 15 Aug 1959 Raith Rovers 2 Partick Thistle 0
Sat 22 Aug 1959 Airdrieonians 4 Partick Thistle 0
Sat 22 Aug 1959 Celtic 1 Raith Rovers 0
Wed 26 Aug 1959 Partick Thistle 0 Celtic 2
Wed 26 Aug 1959 Raith Rovers 3 Airdrieonians 0
Sat 29 Aug 1959 Celtic 2 Airdrieonians 2
Sat 29 Aug 1959 Partick Thistle 1 Raith Rovers 3

and

Sat 08 Aug 1959 Hibernian 1 Rangers 6
Sat 08 Aug 1959 Motherwell 4 Dundee 2
Wed 12 Aug 1959 Dundee 4 Hibernian 3
Wed 12 Aug 1959 Rangers 1 Motherwell 2
Sat 15 Aug 1959 Hibernian 1 Motherwell 3
Sat 15 Aug 1959 Rangers 2 Dundee 0
Sat 22 Aug 1959 Dundee 1 Motherwell 4
Sat 22 Aug 1959 Rangers 5 Hibernian 1
Wed 26 Aug 1959 Hibernian 1 Dundee 3
Wed 26 Aug 1959 Motherwell 2 Rangers 1
Sat 29 Aug 1959 Dundee 2 Rangers 3
Sat 29 Aug 1959 Motherwell 4 Hibernian 2
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