Derby v Scottish clubs

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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by bluedragon » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:22 pm

Derby County v East Fife

Wednesday 24th March 1954

Derby County 1 East Fife 3

Attendance 5,527

East Fife raced into a 3-0 lead within 25 minutes

Scorers

East Fife - Bonthrone (17 & 25 mins.) other goal details not known

Derby County - goalscorer/time not known

East Fife
Curran; Emery S Stewart; Christie Finlay McLennan; J Stewart Fleming Gardiner Bonthrone Mathew.

Christie was injured after four minutes and Liddell deputised.

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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by Scottish » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:24 pm

1957-58
9/10/57 Derby v Killie 1-1 Derby: Darwin. Killie Mays OG.

28/10/57 Kilmarnock v Derby County 2-2 Killie: Black, Mays. Derby: Parry, Buchanan (this match is not on the original list of requests)

1949-50
Killie v Derby 19/4/50 1-5 Killie: Mozley OG. Derby: Parkin 3, Morris, McLaren - Att 17,900

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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by Craig » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:30 pm

It was J.Stewart who scored for East Fife.

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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by John Meffen » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:56 pm

2nd Dec 1953 Derby County 1 Partick Thistle 3 - 10,185

http://partickthistleahistory.wikifoundry.com/page/1953+-+Derby+County+3-1

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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by derby1884 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:18 pm

This is absolutely marvellous detail - can't thank you all enough.
Much appreciated!

Derby also played Airdrie at the Baseball Ground in 1926/7 season but I don't have a date (Airdrie won 1-0) and I've seen
a match programme for Derby v Aberdeen at the BBG circa 1932 but no date for that either.

If the Rams played any other Scottish teams pre 1939, please let me know!

Again, many thanks.

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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by John Meffen » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:37 pm

Not counting Anglo-Scottish ties

Pre War

05-04-1890 Derby County-Partick Thistle FC 5-1 Fr. Derby http://partickthistleahistory.wikifound ... nty%2C+1-5
26-04-1899 Hearts of Midlothian-Derby County 2-2 Fr. Edinburgh
27-04-1899 Derby County-Partick Thistle 3-2 Derby extra
14-12-1901 Dundee FC-Derby County 1-2 Fr. Dundee
01-01-1906 Dundee FC-Derby County 1-1 Fr. Dundee
29-09-1937 Derby County-Hearts of Midlothian 2-3 Fr. Derby
29-9-1937 Derby County-Hearts of Midlothian 2-3 Fr. Derby

Post War

02-12-1953 Derby County-Partick Thistle FC 1-3 Fr. Derby
31-03-1954 Derby County-Saint Mirren FC 1-2 Fr. Derby
12-03-1960 Dundee United-Derby County 3-2 Fr. Dundee
02-08-1975 Celtic FC-Derby County 1-0 Fr. Glasgow
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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by derby1884 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:40 pm

I just noticed that the programme for the 49/50 Killie v Derby game mentions a friendly the two clubs had played "sometime in the 1890s".
Kilmarnock had invited the 3 surviving members of their team that day to attend the April 1950 friendly.

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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by derby1884 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:40 pm

Thank you, John!!

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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by bluedragon » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:45 pm

Wednesday 13 April 1927

Derby County 3 Airdrieonians 5

Rams team as selected: Olney; Cooper Carr; McIntyre O'Brien Storer; Thornewell Gill Bacon Whitehouse Murphy.

The match was a benefit game for the Derbyshire County Cricket Club Nursery Fund (John Meffen will love that!)

Attendance 6,893

Gate receipts almost £500.

Airdrieonians fielded five internationals

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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by John Meffen » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:21 pm

bluedragon wrote:The match was a benefit game for the Derbyshire County Cricket Club Nursery Fund (John Meffen will love that!)
Watch it, I'm a Lancashire fan. [though drifting towards Durham for years]

All I know about Derby is Steve 'Paleface' Bloomer was one of England's great CFs [though clearly not good enough for Falkirk FC]
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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by John Meffen » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:23 pm

derby1884 wrote:Thank you, John!!
It was a pleasure to be of help [I will expect it back ..... in non-negotiable bearer bonds [from Beverley Hills Cop]]

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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by derby1884 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:36 pm

Being born and bred in Aberdeen, I've always been disappointed that the Rams have never made it further north than Perth in my lifetime.
Maybe some day?

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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by John Meffen » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:43 pm

derby1884 wrote:Being born and bred in Aberdeen, I've always been disappointed that the Rams have never made it further north than Perth in my lifetime.
Maybe some day?
No worth the trip, eberden should just join the Highland League [or the Aberdeenshire League]

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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by John Meffen » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:53 am

added an extra friendly v Plastic whistle to my wee list above

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Re: Derby v Scottish clubs

Post by Scottish » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:55 am

derby1884 wrote:I just noticed that the programme for the 49/50 Killie v Derby game mentions a friendly the two clubs had played "sometime in the 1890s".
Kilmarnock had invited the 3 surviving members of their team that day to attend the April 1950 friendly.
I no longer have my notes for my club history written twenty years ago but can only find the following fixtures from my book. Killie's first game in England was in November 1882 for a 15-1 win over a Carlisle team that were "poorly exponents of the manly game" according to the local press. The first tour as such was in 1884-85 to Bolton, Great Lever and Halliwell. The first two clubs were revisited at the end of the season. In January 1887 there was a short tour to Burnley & Fleetwood. Before the tour a Scotswoman resident south of the border didn't fancy their chances much, writing to a sports paper that "Scotch people are such whisky gluttons that it would be almost impossible for them to turn up sober."

Preston North End visited Rugby Park in 1887-88 and "the greatest football combination in the world" as the Kilmarnock Standard called them were beaten 4-1.In 1888-89 there was a tour of Bootle, Accrington & Bury. In 1889-90 it was Bury, Bootle & South Shore (Blackpool). The by now annual tour visited Rossendale, Southport & (in a departure from the normal practice of visiting Lancs only, Rotherham in 1890-91. In 1891-92 the trips were to Rotherham, Bolton & Everton. 1892-93 saw the first Irish visit, to Glentoran while Sunderland came north to win 7-1 at Rugby Park. Sunderland visited again in 1893-94 for a 2-2 draw.

I have a feeling that any game with Derby might have been played in 1894-95. Sandy Higgins had been transferred to Derby in 1887-88, later playing with Forest. Higgins returned to Rugby Park (Kilmarnock had turned professional in 1894) for what turned out to be his final season so it's possible there could have been an encounter then. If so then I have omitted it. Most of the space that season is devoted to the (successful) bid to gain a place in the Scottish League.

At any rate that would be a good place to start and then look at the seasons I haven't mentioned. I rarely include non-competitive games after this point unless for a particularly long-serving player and most of these were against one or other of the Old Firm.

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