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A victim of 'retain and transfer'

Post by ScottishFA » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:59 pm

Came across an interesting snippet in the Evening Times sports final of 7 May 1955:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2 ... page&hl=en

(page 3 of the paper, which is page 9 of the navigation box; Column 5)

Under the heading 'The Missing Man' it relates the sad story of Tommy Hippsley, an Irish player who came to Celtic in 1952, never made a first team appearance and went home, but was still on the Celtic retained list in 1955 - presumably as some kind of 'punishment' for scarpering.

Does anyone know what happened to him, or anything about him? Or any other instances of players being retained long after they departed?


[As an aside, two columns to the left is a useful death notice for John Cross of Third Lanark, a former Scotland internationalist]

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Re: A victim of 'retain and transfer'

Post by Scottish » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:28 pm

Litster gives the same details but only for 54-55 & 55-56. He doesn't appear on the retained list for 57-58 and he didn't play in English league football

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Re: A victim of 'retain and transfer'

Post by sureitsza » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:31 pm

I have him playing A v Hearts in Division C in season 1952-53. (Team line-ups for season incomplete)
I have him playing in 5 of the first six (one line-up A v Hibs missing) Division C fixtures, scoring once for Celtic reserves in season 1953-54. (Team line-ups for season incomplete)

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Re: A victim of 'retain and transfer'

Post by MadMac » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:14 am

Not sure whether it applies here, but what about the (in)famous Chris Honor case with the former Airdrieonians? Perhaps Mr. Peckinpah could comment?

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Re: A victim of 'retain and transfer'

Post by Townfan » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:29 am

I think Rene Moller was retained by Hearts until 1976 - about 6 years after leaving.

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Re: A victim of 'retain and transfer'

Post by Rob R » Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:39 am

Rangers retained Billy Stevenson when he emigrated to Australia in 1961, Australia then ,was not a member of FIFA and when he came back was transfered to Liverpool. I'm sure their were other cases especially concerning South Africa and perhaps Colombia in the 1950s . Peter Knowles the Wolves and England under 23 International around 1968 gave up the game and became a Jahovahs Witness and Wolves still held his registration well into the 1970s.

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Re: A victim of 'retain and transfer'

Post by Rob R » Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:41 am

The 1970/71 Rothmans Yearbook states in The Wolves section ,Peter Knowles retired but registration still held.

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Re: A victim of 'retain and transfer'

Post by ScottishFA » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:32 pm

I came across an early example of a player winning the argument from a newspaper report of an SFA meeting in November 1898. Full text:

A PLAYER'S CLAIM. H. Morrison, an intelligent lad, appealed to the Association to order Partick Thistle to pay him his wages or grant him his transfer. At the moment he said he was dismissed, yet kept on the retained list of the club. He was stopped from playing since 19th September. His terms were £2 for a win, 35s for a draw, and 30s for a loss. Mr Smith, secretary of Partick Thistle, said if a club approached the Thistle they would grant both a League and Association transfer. The Chairman - But you must pay or dismiss him. Mr Kirkwood moved that Partick Thistle pay Morrison 15s per week so long as he was on their retained list. Mr McCulloch (Dundee) moved that the Association do not now or in future consider such claims from players unless there was a written agreement. He held that all clubs and players should be told that would be the case. However, upon a vote, 16 voted that Thistle pay Morrison, and 6 for the Dundee amendment.

The outcome appears to be that Thistle let him go, and Herbert Morrison went on to play for Linthouse, Third Lanark and Albion Rovers.

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