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John Martin

Postby sureitsza » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:44 pm

Looking for anything on JOHN MARTIN a forward who I was told joined Liverpool from Rutherglen Glencairn circa 1913.
Nothing on John Litster's disk, nor does a John Martin appear to make a first team game for Liverpool.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: John Martin

Postby kjell » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:41 pm

Hello,

I cannot find him in my archives either. I have also checked against all the players Liverpool registered with the Football League before the outbreak of World War 1. The only Martin there, is a George Martin, signed December 27 - 1897, from a nursery club in Paisley. He went back to Scotland and Port Glasgow Athletic on July 18 - 1902. I have him only playing reserve matches during the 1899/1900 season, so no game at all 1900/1901 and 1901/1902 (he could have left Liverpool in the summer of 1900, but they kept his registration until they received a transfer fee for him).

I have also search John Martin in Liverpool Echo for the 1913 papers BNA have added, but without any luck. He could of course have been on trial, or he could have signed for another club from Liverpool.

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Re: John Martin

Postby bluedragon » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:45 pm

I have come across an inside right named Martin from 1913 who played for Junior Scotland but he played for Strathclyde. However, his inside forward partner was George Montgomerie who did play for Rutherglen Glencairn. In checking newspaper coverage I have seen Senior interest in Montgomerie but not Martin.
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Re: John Martin

Postby sureitsza » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:32 pm

Thanks for the replies.

I have told he is the same person who joins Clydebank in 1916 (as in JL Disk). Now looking for anything between 1913 and joining Clydebank if anyone can help.
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Re: John Martin

Postby bluedragon » Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:09 am

sureitsza wrote:Thanks for the replies.

I have told he is the same person who joins Clydebank in 1916 (as in JL Disk). Now looking for anything between 1913 and joining Clydebank if anyone can help.


I had another look through the BNA but no luck I am afraid. I found three Martin and Clydebank connections around this time but I think the only one that is likely to be your man is outside your date range. Here they are anyway:

"Martin" centre forward for Clydebank in a Scottish Junior Cup match v Hill of Beath played on 1 January 1916

"John Martin" joined Clydebank as goalkeeping cover in July 1919

"J A Martin (Clydebank)" was a referee at the time.
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Re: John Martin

Postby sureitsza » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:32 am

An update on this player.
Now know he was at
Newton Villa FC 1912
Strathclyde Juniors FC 1912/13
Scotland Juniors 1913
Rutherglen Glencairn FC 1913/14
Cambuslang Rangers FC 1915
Glasgow Perthshire FC 1915/16
Bellshill Athletic FC 1916
Clydebank FC 1916/17 – 1921/22
Lochgelly United FC 1922 – 1923

Still require assistance with the following;
date/place of birth:
(he has to be born in Rutherglen for this player profile to continue)
date/place of death:
where was he Jan 1914 to August 1915
Clydebank debut:
Lochgelly United debut:

Thanks in advance.
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Re: John Martin

Postby RobertB » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:02 pm

Quick look on Ancestory found a John Martin born in Rutherglen December 14th 1881 which would / could fit? Parents were James Martin and Elizabeth Lang Martin. Will see if I can find anything else on him.
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Re: John Martin

Postby bluedragon » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:14 pm

Thanks for the update on your research.

It appears that Bellshill Athletic put a team together virtually from scratch for the 1916/17 season. John Martin made his League debut for his new club against Benburb on 5 August 1916 and his previous club is given as Glasgow Perthshire. In a later match report the Daily Record refers to him as “the International” that ties him to the “Martin (Strathclyde Juniors)” who was capped for Junior Scotland versus England in 1913 as there are no other Martins capped around this time. He seems to disappear from the Bellshill team after the early days of the season.

However, the Martin that then appears in the Clydebank side later in the 1916/17 season looks to be a different player. A newspaper report said:

In Martin Clydebank have an extreme right wing forward who may go far in the game. He is big and fairly fast, knows a trick or two, and can get the ball across, He hails from Greenock, and has already done some fighting for his country.

There appears to only one Martin playing for Clydebank in the 1916/17 season.
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Re: John Martin

Postby J.S.Norway » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:34 pm

Liverpool signed a John Martin on trial from Blackpool, 23rd February 1920. He played 13 Central League games (3 goals) until May 1920. Inside right was his posision. No games for Blackpool in The Football League 1919/20. They signed him 29/8-1919.
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Re: John Martin

Postby J.S.Norway » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:07 pm

I see 4 John Martins born in Rutherglen (1880-1900). In 1881, 1892, 1894 & 1898. How old would he be when he played for Scotland Juniors in 1913?
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Re: John Martin

Postby sureitsza » Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:28 am

bluedragon wrote:Thanks for the update on your research.

It appears that Bellshill Athletic put a team together virtually from scratch for the 1916/17 season. John Martin made his League debut for his new club against Benburb on 5 August 1916 and his previous club is given as Glasgow Perthshire. In a later match report the Daily Record refers to him as “the International” that ties him to the “Martin (Strathclyde Juniors)” who was capped for Junior Scotland versus England in 1913 as there are no other Martins capped around this time. He seems to disappear from the Bellshill team after the early days of the season.

However, the Martin that then appears in the Clydebank side later in the 1916/17 season looks to be a different player. A newspaper report said:

In Martin Clydebank have an extreme right wing forward who may go far in the game. He is big and fairly fast, knows a trick or two, and can get the ball across, He hails from Greenock, and has already done some fighting for his country.

There appears to only one Martin playing for Clydebank in the 1916/17 season.


The Martin at Bellshill Athletic is correct up to then going by newspaper snippets. His stay there is short as he joins Clydebank on 15 September 1916 (J Litster's disk).
John Martin is an inside-forward.
I spoke to the person who is doing the research that the above Martin is Neil who was at Clydebank Juniors then and later at Morton in 1920-21.

J.S.Norway wrote:I see 4 John Martins born in Rutherglen (1880-1900). In 1881, 1892, 1894 & 1898. How old would he be when he played for Scotland Juniors in 1913?


Most likely to be 1892 or 1894 which he has the details already. His problem the now is proving one of these is the footballer. With him starting out his football life at Newton Villa (Newton is a district of Cambuslang), there are several John Martins born in Cambuslang at that period.....the search goes on.
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