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Games on consecutive days

Post by MadMac » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:04 am

Last week, I noticed that Concord Rangers of the Conference South in Englandshire played on two consecutive nights, presumably so that their final fixture was on Saturday. While this sort of thing was common many years ago, I can't think of an instance in senior Scottish football in my lifetime (1957 on). Anyone know of an instance say, post-WWII?

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Re: Games on consecutive days

Post by Alan McCabe » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:53 am

St Mirren and Falkirk met in the Scottish Cup 4th Round on successive nights, March 4 & 5 1986. Saints won 3-0 at Brockville after a 1-1 draw the night before at Love Street.
I'm sure there must've been many more around this time although such demands have all but disappeared today as our multi-millionaires (in the EPL at least) can't possibly be expected to play more than twice in a week!

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Re: Games on consecutive days

Post by Townfan » Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:18 am

There was a full league programme on 1st and 2nd January 1971 - scheduled at least.

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Re: Games on consecutive days

Post by HibeeJibee » Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:56 am

There were times in the 1990s when certainly the Fife Cup and the East of Scotland 'City' Cup were played over a single weekend in late July... on those occasions clubs like Cowdenbeath, Dunfermline, East Fife, Raith and Berwick, Meadowbank/Livingston would have played 2 games in 2 days.

In 1978 Hibs were supposed to play home games against Clydebank on Monday 2nd January in the League and then v Hearts on Tuesday 3rd January in the East of Scotland Shield, but the Shield tie was postponed with the pitch unplayable.

In the Scottish Cup, once you've had 1 midweek you have to start trying Monday/Tuesday & Wednesday (i.e. 2 attempts per midweek) so there could be 2 games in 2 days, but clubs normally try Monday & Wednesday.

Last season Dalbeattie Star got a horrendous backlog in the South of Scotland League and on top of numerous weeks of Sat-Mon-Wed they played Sat-Mon-Wed-Fri-Sat one week.

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Re: Games on consecutive days

Post by Partick Thistle » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:35 pm

I ran a query for Thistle since WWII. Competitive matches only. I though there would several. Turns out there have been 22 instances as follows:

Tue-01-Jan-1946 Clyde [h] W2-1 (Southern League, Division A - game 22)
Wed-02-Jan-1946 Aberdeen [a] L0-3 (Southern League, Division A - game 23)

Wed-01-Jan-1947 Clyde [a] W4-2 (SFL Division A - game 20)
Thu-02-Jan-1947 Morton [h] W3-1 (SFL Division A - game 21)

Wed-01-Sep-1948 Rangers [h] D1-1 (SFL Division A - game 5)
Thu-02-Sep-1948 Celtic [a] A1-1 (Glasgow Cup Semi Final - abandoned game)

Tue-01-Jan-1952 Third Lanark [h] W4-2 (SFL Division A - game 18)
Wed-02-Jan-1952 Motherwell [a] D1-1 (SFL Division A - game 19)

Fri-01-Jan-1954 Clyde [h] L3-4 (SFL Division A - game 15)
Sat-02-Jan-1954 Queen of the South [a] W6-2 (SFL Division A - game 16)

Fri-09-Sep-1955 Celtic [a] L0-2 (Glasgow Cup Semi Final)
Sat-10-Sep-1955 Dunfermline Athletic [a] D1-1 (SFL First Division - game 1)

Tue-01-Jan-1957 Queen's Park [a] D1-1 (SFL First Division - game 16)
Wed-02-Jan-1957 Aberdeen [h] L1-2 (SFL First Division - game 17)

Wed-01-Jan-1958 Clyde [h] D2-2 (SFL First Division - game 18)
Thu-02-Jan-1958 Rangers [a] L0-2 (SFL First Division - game 19)

Fri-01-Jan-1960 Clyde [h] L0-1 (SFL First Division - game 19)
Sat-02-Jan-1960 Third Lanark [a] W2-1 (SFL First Division - game 20)

Wed-13-Mar-1963 Arbroath [a] D2-2 (Scottish Cup 2nd Round replay)
Thu-14-Mar-1963 Arbroath [a] W3-2 (Scottish Cup 2nd Round 2nd replay)

Wed-01-Jan-1964 Third Lanark [h] L0-1 (SFL First Division - game 19)
Thu-02-Jan-1964 Rangers [a] L3-4 (SFL First Division - game 20)

Fri-01-Jan-1965 Clyde [a] L1-4 (SFL First Division - game 18)
Sat-02-Jan-1965 Rangers [h] D1-1 (SFL First Division - game 19)

Mon-01-Jan-1968 Rangers [a] L2-5 (SFL First Division - game 18)
Tue-02-Jan-1968 Clyde [h] W2-0 (SFL First Division - game 19)

Wed-01-Jan-1969 Rangers [h] L0-2 (SFL First Division - game 17)
Thu-02-Jan-1969 Clyde [a] W2-1 (SFL First Division - game 18)

Fri-01-Jan-1971 Stirling Albion [h] W2-0 (SFL Second Division - game 18)
Sat-02-Jan-1971 East Stirlingshire [a] W2-0 (SFL Second Division - game 19)

Wed-19-Jul-1972 IK Sirius [a] W2-0 (July Cup Group 2 - game 2)
Thu-20-Jul-1972 Västerhaninge IF [a] W11-1 (July Cup Group 2 - game 3)

Mon-02-Aug-1976 Rangers [a] L0-2 (Tennent Caledonian Cup Semi Final)
Tue-03-Aug-1976 Manchester City [n] L1-4 (Tennent Caledonian Cup 3rd Place Play-Off)

Sat-05-Feb-1977 Aberdeen [h] W2-1 (SFL Premier Division - game 18)
Sun-06-Feb-1977 Hibernian [a] L0-3 (Scottish Cup 3rd Round)

Sat-04-Feb-1978 St Mirren [a] D1-1 (SFL Premier Division - game 22)
Sun-05-Feb-1978 Cowdenbeath [h] D1-1 (Scottish Cup 3rd Round)

Sat-21-Jul-1979 Halifax Metros [a] W4-0 (Gathering of the Clans Tournament)
Sun-22-Jul-1979 National Students [a] W2-0 (Gathering of the Clans Tournament)

Sat-17-Jul-1999 Livingston [a] L0-2 (Motorola Cup Semi Final)
Sun-18-Jul-1999 St Johnstone [n] L0-1 (Motorola Cup 3rd Place Play-Off)

Sat-21-Jul-2012 Celtic XI [h] W2-0 (ARR Craib Cup Semi Final)
Sun-22-Jul-2012 Everton XI [h] W3-1 (ARR Craib Cup Final)
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Re: Games on consecutive days

Post by HibeeJibee » Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:15 pm

Statistical histories of Celtic, Dundee, Hearts (national competitions only), Raith and St Johnstone are organised in calendar form - not competition by competition - so it's possible to scan down the lists of post-war results. I only looked at competitive games and only to 1994.


Celtic played 2 games in 2 days at New Year in 1946, 1947, 1950, 1952, 1954, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1964, 1965, 1968, 1969... in September 1950 (League Cup & Glasgow Cup), 1955 (League & Glasgow Cup)... in October 1956 (League & League Cup)... in April 1957 (both league games), 1974 (both league games)... and in May 1961 (League & Glasgow Charity Cup), 1979 (League & Glasgow Cup).


Dundee played 2 games in 2 days at New Year in 1946 [also see below], 1947, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1954, 1957, 1958, 1960, 1964, 1967, 1968, 1969... in October 1956 (League & Dewar Shield)... in February 1977 (Scottish Cup & replay), 1985 (Scottish Cup & replay)... in March 1968 (both league)... in April 1956 (League & Forfarshire Cup)... and in May 1958 (both Dewar Shield - two different finals!!).

Note that at New Year in 1946, Dundee actually played 3 games in 2 days, as they played a league game on January 1st and both a league game and a Forfarshire Cup tie on January 2nd. And in 1957 on January 12th they played 2 games in 1 day, a league game and a Dewar Shield tie.


Hearts played 2 games in 2 days at New Year in 1947, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1954, 1957, 1958, 1960, 1964, 1965, 1968, 1969. These appear to be the only instances, although Price's book doesn't include East of Scotland Shield matches.


Raith played 2 games in 2 days at New Year in 1946, 1947, 1950, 1952, 1954, 1957, 1958, 1960, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1971... in July 1986 (both Fife Cup), 1987 (both Fife Cup), 1992 (both Fife Cup), 1993 (both Fife Cup)... in February 1974 (League & Scottish Cup)... and in April 1957 (both league). In May of both 1954 and 1958 they played Fife Cup and Penman Cup ties on the same day, but by fielding 22 different players.

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Re: Games on consecutive days

Post by Partick Thistle » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:20 pm

Behold Beith's amazing British record, 4 competitive games in 4 days, Wednesday to Saturday...

03.02.1909 Beith 1 Broxburn Athletic 1 (aet) (Scottish Cup 1st Round, 2nd replay) @ Bellsdale Park
04.02.1909 Beith 1 Broxburn Athletic 1 (aet) (Scottish Cup 1st Round, 3rd replay) @ Ibrox Park
05.02.1909 Beith 4 Broxburn Athletic 2 (Scottish Cup 1st Round, 4th replay) @ Love Street
06.02.1909 St Mirren 3 Beith 0 (Scottish Cup 2nd Round) @ Love Street

To boot, their 510 minutes epic struggle with Broxburn stands as the record tie length for the Scottish Cup.
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Re: Games on consecutive days

Post by kjell » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:50 pm

Hello,

Can probably count as half Scottish, since Liverpool were known as the "Team of Macs." Liverpool`s last few days of their first season, 1892-93.

29.04.1893 Fr A Bootle 2 - 2
27.04.1893 Fr H Blackburn Rovers 0 - 1
26.04.1893 Fr H Rest of Lancashire League 1 - 3
25.04.1893 Ben H Preston North End 0 - 0
24.04.1893 Fr H Bolton Wanderers 1 - 1
22.04.1893 LiC N Everton 1 - 0

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Re: Games on consecutive days

Post by HibeeJibee » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:01 pm

Games in multiple days was often common before the war, of course - and in England it was common for the whole league to play perhaps 3 in 4 days or even 3 in 3 around Christmas and Easter depending how the dates fell. During the wars there were various occasions of clubs playing twice in a day due to the restrictions on midweek games.


To finish-off the examples I mentioned earlier on...

St Johnstone played 2 games in 2 days at New Year in 1946, 1947, 1950, 1952, 1954, 1957, 1960, 1964, 1967, 1969, 1971... in August 1945 (both Dewar Shield)... and in February 1977 (Scottish Cup & replay).


Beyond the traditional New Year's holiday games, it seems the usual reason for playing 2 games in 2 days was clearing a backlog after a harsh winter, or clearing-up local cup-ties.

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Re: Games on consecutive days

Post by Snuff » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:14 pm

The legend has it that the 1948 West of Scotland Cup final, in which Auchinleck Talbot beat Blantyre Celtic 1-0, at Ardeer, was a case of the same teams playing two games in one day.

As frequently happens, the season had to be extended to get all the outstanding junior fixtures played and tht season had to end on the Saturday of the West final. The first match, with a 3pm kick-off, finished as a 2-2 draw.

The teams then met again, at the same venue, at 7pm and this time, Talbot scored the only goal of the game.

That's the legend, anyway.
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Re: Games on consecutive days

Post by Alan McCabe » Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:25 pm

So, forgetting minor regional cups - regardless of local interest, was the Falkirk v St Mirren instance the most recent consecutive days meeting?

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Re: Games on consecutive days

Post by MadMac » Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:20 am

HibeeJibee wrote:There were times in the 1990s when certainly the Fife Cup and the East of Scotland 'City' Cup were played over a single weekend in late July... on those occasions clubs like Cowdenbeath, Dunfermline, East Fife, Raith and Berwick, Meadowbank/Livingston would have played 2 games in 2 days.
Very good point here. This was done with the Lanarkshire Cup in the late 70s/early 80s. Others have mentioned the New Year fixtures. I think the Falkirk-St. Mirren one would be the most recent in competitive football.

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Re: Games on consecutive days

Post by Rob R » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:14 am

Was the RangersV Clydebank League Cup Quarter final replay and 2nd replay not played over two nights in 1976 ?

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Re: Games on consecutive days

Post by HibeeJibee » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:43 am

It was, yes.

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Re: Games on consecutive days

Post by ScottishFA » Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:57 pm

Alan McCabe wrote:So, forgetting minor regional cups - regardless of local interest, was the Falkirk v St Mirren instance the most recent consecutive days meeting?
Yes, but who could forget the epic Brechin v Motherwell clash earlier the same season? Feb 11, Brechin 1 Motherwell 1 (aet); Feb 12 Motherwell 2 Brechin 0 at Tannadice, second replay.

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