Scottish club record for consecutive appearances?

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Scottish club record for consecutive appearances?

Post by Partick Thistle » Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:24 pm

A newly signed teenage 'keeper from Kirkintilloch Rob Roy made his competitive debut for Thistle against Rangers at Ibrox on the 28th August 1926. Johnny Jackson wasn't phased. In fact, he done so well that he literally became an immovable object as Jags’ custodian. In all, from the 28th August 1926 until the 25th March 1933 he set a stunning club record by playing in 313 consecutive competitive matches for Partick Thistle. His record was finally broken on the 1st April 1933 - at the behest of the Scotland national team - when he helped his country to a fine 2-1 championship victory against the Auld enemy at Hampden, whilst Thistle were in League action at Firs Park. From debut to last game, this proved to be the only competitive fixture that he missed for the club. The Chelsea cheque book lured the ‘keeper away shortly afterwards, and he departed for Stamford Bridge in June 1933. Johnny's awesome 6 ½ year run incorporated six tournaments as follows:

258 - SFL First Division
30 - Scottish Cup
13 - Glasgow Cup
8 - Glasgow Charity Cup
3 - Glasgow Dental Cup
1 - Stirling Charity Cup

So, Thistle's is set at 313 games.

Who holds the Scottish record across all clubs?
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Post by jimmygrumble » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:35 am

I think Ally Shewan probably holds the Aberdeen record, but falls short of Johnny Jackson by some way

272 League
22 Scottish Cup
34 League Cup
8 Euro ties
272 total (04.04.1964 to 23.04.1969).
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Re: Scottish club record for consecutive appearances?

Post by Alan McCabe » Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:14 pm

Not going by my counting Jimmy.
Your total is wrong and if you exclude the local cup ties played by Jackson then Shewan is quite a bit ahead.

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Re: Scottish club record for consecutive appearances?

Post by MadMac » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:56 am

Re Ally Shewan - 272 league games in five years? Surely some mistake. That's over 50 games in the League alone each year!

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Post by BMCCOLL » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:18 am

Should that not read 172 League games?
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Re: Scottish club record for consecutive appearances?

Post by jimmygrumble » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:57 pm

I was never very good at sums
league games should have read 208 not 272, to give a total of 272 in all competitions
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Re: Scottish club record for consecutive appearances?

Post by Scottish » Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:54 pm

Even so, five consecutive league seasons during this time would be 170 matches

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Post by jimmygrumble » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:42 am

I'll let you do your own sums
1963-64 4 lg
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Post by jimmygrumble » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:44 am

I'll try again,

1963-64 4 lg
1964-65 34 lg
1965-66 34 lg
1966-67 34 lg
1967-68 34 lg
1968-69 34 lg

Total - 208 (I hope)
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Post by Scottish » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:30 pm

I make that 174 in the league but I think I might have found the answer (well, almost). I am perplexed by the claim in the Dons centenary history that Shewan played 314 consecutive matches. According to the book, Shewan didn't play in the league match v Hibs at Pittodrie on March 28th 1964 (the next game would be your starting point for the last four games of that season) but the Evening Times has him on the team sheet. If that were the case then Shewan would have played 27 consecutive league games in 1963-64 which would bring him up to 197 consecutive league matches overall.

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Post by Scottish » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:51 pm

If we accept that Shewan played v Hibs and therefore made 27 consecutive league appearances in 1963-64 then his Scottish Cup tally rises to 26 from 22. He still has 34 League Cup & eight European ties. That makes a grand total of 265 as follows:

League 197
Scottish Cup 26
League Cup 34
Europe 8

However Aberdeen also played 17 Summer Cup ties during this period and if Shewan played in all of them that would bring him up to 282. But I can't find any permutation which arrives at 208 league, 272 overall or, as the Aberdeen centenary claims, 314.

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Post by ScottishFA » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:46 pm

Here's a reasonable assumption at how they arrived at 314:

First, 265 appearances as you correctly stated:
League 197
Scottish cup 26
League Cup 34
Europe 8

(According to both Jim Rickaby's 'Complete Record' and Clive Leatherdale's ' Aberdeen Football Companion', Shewan did play against Hibs and the run started on 19 October 1963 at Rugby Park)

To which can be added:
Summer Cup (1964 and 1965) 17
USA President's Cup (1967, as Washington Whips) 14
Friendlies 18

Grand total 314

Obvious quibble is that friendlies are not competitive, and without seeing full line-ups I can't even be sure he played in them all. There is also the quirk that one of the USA ties, against Wolves, was declared void and had to be replayed, which technically knocks one off the total. But hey, centenary books are all about celebrating the achievements and players of the past so perhaps the claim is understandable.

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Post by football2011 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:38 pm

scottish wrote:I make that 174 in the league but I think I might have found the answer (well, almost). I am perplexed by the claim in the Dons centenary history that Shewan played 314 consecutive matches. According to the book, Shewan didn't play in the league match v Hibs at Pittodrie on March 28th 1964 (the next game would be your starting point for the last four games of that season) but the Evening Times has him on the team sheet. If that were the case then Shewan would have played 27 consecutive league games in 1963-64 which would bring him up to 197 consecutive league matches overall.
Shewan is not in the line up for that game on AFC Heritage, the Evening Times sport was notorious for their mistakes.

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Re: Scottish club record for consecutive appearances?

Post by Scottish » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:15 am

football2011 wrote: Shewan is not in the line up for that game on AFC Heritage, the Evening Times sport was notorious for their mistakes.
See Andy's post above which has two Aberdeen histories saying he played that day as opposed to one (Kevin Stirling's centenary book) which says he didn't. On balance and given that Andy has managed to put together the claimed 314, it looks likely that he did.

There's also a query about where AFC Heritage got their info from. Is it fresh research? Or have they used the latest available book (Stirling's) and copied over any errors? The web is littered with mistakes copied and pasted from elsewhere.

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Post by Skyline Drifter » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:32 am

scottish wrote:
football2011 wrote: Shewan is not in the line up for that game on AFC Heritage, the Evening Times sport was notorious for their mistakes.
See Andy's post above which has two Aberdeen histories saying he played that day as opposed to one (Kevin Stirling's centenary book) which says he didn't. On balance and given that Andy has managed to put together the claimed 314, it looks likely that he did.

There's also a query about where AFC Heritage got their info from. Is it fresh research? Or have they used the latest available book (Stirling's) and copied over any errors? The web is littered with mistakes copied and pasted from elsewhere.
Of course that works both ways and the two histories that quote him as playing may be taking their info from the Evening Times. Without knowing the source of the research and whether it was cross-checked it would be impossible to know.

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