Why did pre-season friendlies start in 1966?

Scottish Football Answers to Questions
Post Reply
HibeeJibee
Posts: 776
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:36 pm
Contact:

Why did pre-season friendlies start in 1966?

Post by HibeeJibee » Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:39 pm

Thread on the history section of NLM caused me to observe this phenomenon.

http://nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gfo ... 829#680829

What was the reason - change in regulations? Attempts to capitalise on WC 1966? End of the Summer Cup?

prorege
Posts: 265
Joined: Mon May 21, 2007 4:59 pm
Contact:

Re: Why did pre-season friendlies start in 1966?

Post by prorege » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:01 am

Changing times. Clubs wanted to be able to play a "glamour" game pre-season to bring in some cash. There were some very big crowds for games against English clubs. Prior to 1966 clubs could play games but had to make them "competitive" - eg the Paisley Charity Cup. Otherwise they were restricted to a maximum of two intra-club public trials or special select games such as the series of Edinburgh Select fixtures. I think a proportion of the gate receipts of these games had to go to charity.

From 1966, clubs were allowed to play one public home game but within a couple of years this was extended to a two week window from the last Saturday in July prior to the League Cup kicking off on the second Saturday in August.

The two week window was abolished sometime in the 1990s but I cannot recall exactly when.

Certainly nothing to do with the abolition of the Summer Cup - it was played at the end of the season, in May.

HibeeJibee
Posts: 776
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:36 pm
Contact:

Re: Why did pre-season friendlies start in 1966?

Post by HibeeJibee » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:45 pm

Cheers, so it was a change in regulations.

I wondered if stopping the Summer Cup and thus relengthening the summer break was connected i.e. not playing into May/June enabled starting late July/early August with friendlies.

Skyline Drifter
Posts: 790
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:34 pm
Location: Dumfries
Contact:

Re: Why did pre-season friendlies start in 1966?

Post by Skyline Drifter » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:02 pm

prorege wrote: From 1966, clubs were allowed to play one public home game but within a couple of years this was extended to a two week window from the last Saturday in July prior to the League Cup kicking off on the second Saturday in August.

The two week window was abolished sometime in the 1990s but I cannot recall exactly when.
Is that a typo or did you really mean 1990's? I can't recall any limited period for friendlies and I've been going since the mid 80's.

prorege
Posts: 265
Joined: Mon May 21, 2007 4:59 pm
Contact:

Re: Why did pre-season friendlies start in 1966?

Post by prorege » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:57 am

No, I mean early 1990s - I've checked back and it seems to have been from 92/3 that the rule was relaxed.

The ruling applied to SFA-sanctioned friendlies within Scotland. I'd be surprised if Queens played any public friendlies before the last Saturday in July during the 1970s or 1980s.

bluedragon
Posts: 918
Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:42 pm
Contact:

Re: Why did pre-season friendlies start in 1966?

Post by bluedragon » Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:26 am

prorege wrote: Otherwise they were restricted to a maximum of two intra-club public trials or special select games such as the series of Edinburgh Select fixtures. I think a proportion of the gate receipts of these games had to go to charity.
I remember reading somewhere that in the 1950's there was an annual pre-season Edinburgh Select versus Newcastle match and the proceeds went to the Thistle Foundation, a charity established after the Second World War for disabled servicemen and their families.

Steve Bell
Posts: 276
Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:21 pm
Contact:

Re: Why did pre-season friendlies start in 1966?

Post by Steve Bell » Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:07 am

Pre-season friendlies started in 1961 and not 1966. Here is a quote taken from the excellent West Ham United Football Programmes website -

http://whu-programmes.co.uk/1961-62-fri ... 4550970898
West Ham United and Charlton took advantage of the new Football Association ruling which allows clubs to play each in these games as a variation from the previous "Club Colours v. Whites" contests
This is a list of friendly matches from 1961, there may have been others played. Some clubs opposed each other on a home and away basis.

Wednesday, 2nd August 1961

Bury 1 Manchester City 2
Watford 2 Luton Town 3 (Played in Private)

Saturday, 5th August 1961

Coleraine 1 Dunfermline Athletic 2
Edinburgh Select 4 Burnley 7 (Easter Road, Edinburgh)
Halifax Town 3 Huddersfield Town 4
Middlesbrough 2 Arsenal 1
Millwall 1 Charlton Athletic 1
St Mirren 3 Leicester City 1 (Paisley Charity Cup)

Wednesday, 9th August 1961

Bury 0 Manchester City 4
Leeds United 4 Peterborough United 1
Luton Town 4 Watford 1 (Played in Private)
Newcastle United 6 Aarhus (Denmark) 0
Oldham Athletic 1 Rochdale 2
Reading 7 Crystal Palace 2
Rotherham United 3 Chesterfield 0
Sunderland 5 Odense (Denmark) 1

Thursday, 10th August 1961

Stockport County 6 Accrington Stanley 0

Friday, 11th August 1961

Arsenal 3 Ipswich Town 3
Birmingham City 2 Torquay United 0
Blackburn Rovers 1 Preston North End 1
Distillery 1 Blackpool 5
Grimsby Town 2 Scunthorpe United 2
Reading 4 Tottenham Hotspur XI 3

Saturday, 12th August 1961

Accrington Stanley 0 Stockport County 1
Bournemouth and Boscombe Athletic 1 Chelsea 0
Cambridge City 2 Gillingham 1
Chesterfield 2 Rotherham United 2
Glentoran 1 Burnley 7
Hartlepools United 0 Newcastle United XI 1
Huddersfield Town 4 Halifax Town 1
Morton 1 Coleraine 0
Newcastle United 2 Odense (Denmark) 0
Peterborough United 3 Leeds United 6
Portadown 0 Blackpool 2
Queen's Park Rangers 3 Brighton and Hove Albion 2
Southampton 0 Portsmouth 2
Sunderland 3 Aarhus (Denmark) 0
Tottenham Hotspur 3 FA XI 2 (Charity Shield)
Walsall 1 Leicester City 0
Wrexham 3 Shrewsbury Town 2

Monday, 14th August 1961

Kettering Town 2 Watford 5
West Ham United 4 Charlton Athletic 3

Tuesday, 15th August 1961
Brighton and Hove Albion 3 Queen's Park Rangers 1 (Charity Match)
Derby County 6 Mansfield Town 0
Shrewsbury Town 2 Wrexham 1

The following practice / trial matches were also played. It is very likely that many more took place.

Thursday, 3rd August 1961

Queen's Park

Saturday, 5th August 1961

Airdrieonians
Ayr United
Berwick Rangers
Celtic
Dundee United
East Fife
Falkirk
Motherwell
Queen of the South
Raith Rovers
St Johnstone
Stenhousemuir
Stranraer

Monday, 7th August 1961

Albion Rovers
Dundee
Hibernian
Partick Thistle
Rangers
Third Lanark

Tuesday, 8th August 1961

Celtic (Postponed)
Dunfermline Athletic
Queen's Park (Postponed)

Wednesday, 9th August 1961

Albion Rovers
Queen's Park
Wrexham

Thursday, 10th August 1961

West Ham United

Friday, 11th August 1961

Leyton Orient
Swindon Town

Saturday, 12th August 1961

Barnsley
Bradford City
Fulham
Oxford United
Plymouth Argyle

Monday, 14th August 1961

Bristol Rovers

Tuesday, 15th August 1961

Oxford United

prorege
Posts: 265
Joined: Mon May 21, 2007 4:59 pm
Contact:

Re: Why did pre-season friendlies start in 1966?

Post by prorege » Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:06 am

Pre-season friendlies may have been allowed in England from 1961, but they were not permitted in Scotland until 1966.

The instances of Scottish clubs playing pe-season games outside Scotland before 1966 would have been classed as "Tours" which seem to have been permitted by the SFA.

Competitive or quasi-competitive games (eg the Paisley Charity Cup, Stirling Charity Cup), Select Games (again for Charity) and Public Trials were allowed to take place Pre-Season - the latter seem to have been permitted from at least the 1940s. The takings from these were often donated to Charities - which seems to be acommon theme.

Skyline Drifter
Posts: 790
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:34 pm
Location: Dumfries
Contact:

Re: Why did pre-season friendlies start in 1966?

Post by Skyline Drifter » Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:34 pm

prorege wrote:Pre-season friendlies may have been allowed in England from 1961, but they were not permitted in Scotland until 1966.

The instances of Scottish clubs playing pe-season games outside Scotland before 1966 would have been classed as "Tours" which seem to have been permitted by the SFA.

Competitive or quasi-competitive games (eg the Paisley Charity Cup, Stirling Charity Cup), Select Games (again for Charity) and Public Trials were allowed to take place Pre-Season - the latter seem to have been permitted from at least the 1940s. The takings from these were often donated to Charities - which seems to be acommon theme.
Queen of the South definitely played public trials much earlier than that with permission from the SFA. There was one on 1st August 1933 for a start. There was one in August 1932 too. It looks like such games were only allowed on the basis of a collection for charity, not gate receipts. It is minuted in July 1932 that the Secretary wrote to the SFA to enquire whether it was allowable to deduct match expenses from the proceeds of the collection. Can't see any evidence of a game in 1931 and given the letter of enquiry in 32 there probably was't one.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests