Liverpool FC juniors from Scotland.

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Liverpool FC juniors from Scotland.

Postby J.S.Norway » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:01 pm

I am looking for information about what happend to following ex Liverpool juniors/reserves after they had left Anfield: ROBERT ARCHER (Born Glasgow 1953) LFC 1968-70. DOUG ARMSTRONG From Dunipace Thistle 1968. To Falkirk 1970. BOBBY ARTHUR From Possil YMCA 1968. WILLIAM BREMNER (Born Scone 1925) From Jeanfield Swifts 1944. To Jeanfield Swifts c1945. ROBERT CONNELLY (Born Dundee 1944) LFC 1960-61. Later St Johnstone & East Fife. ROBERT FOTHERIGHAM (Born Fife c1923) LFC 1943/44. KEVIN HEENAN (born Dundee 1982) trial from Arbroath 2001. GEORGE HENDERSON (born Aberdeen c1943) Goalkeeper on trial from Torry, Aberdeen in 1960. HESLOP Scottish junior international player from Evenham 1934. DENNIS HEWITT LFC 1964-65. Later Glasgow United and Airdrie. BRIAN LAING (born Edinburgh 1952). LFC 1968-70. Later Hearts and Quen of the South. MONTY MACLAREN (born 1943 Ancherarder) From Allanvale 1960. To 1963. Later policeman in Ancherarder. DONALD MACMASTER (born 1966 Ayr) LFC 1982-84. STEVE MCEWAN (born Selkirk 1930) From Bournemouth 1950. Accrington 1951 (shortly). DONALD MCINTOSH (born 1935 Inverness) Trial from Inverness Caledonian 1952. Rangers 1952-55. LOGAN MCKENZIE (born Fife 1925) Quenns Park Stroller and Burntisland Shipyard before LFC 1946. East Fife 1949-50. NORRIE PORTER (born Dundee 1951) From Dundee U. LFC 1968-69. Later Dundee U., Montrose & Forfar. HUGH ALLAN ROBERTSON (born 1919, West Lothian. From Grange Rovers 1938. To Falkirk 1939. Later Boness c1946. JAMES ROBERTSON (born Ayrshire) Ayr United (1949/50) & Auchineck Talbot before LFC 1952-53. JOHN SCOTT (born Aberdeen 1975) LFC 1991-94. Caledonian Thistle 1994-96. Later USA? ANDREW SHAW trial from Peterhead in March 1989. COLIN WILLIAMSON (born Gretna 1957). LFC 1974-76. Workington 1976/77. I suppose some of them must have played for small clubs in Scotland.
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Re: Liverpool FC juniors from Scotland.

Postby bluedragon » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:15 pm

I notice that Monty Maclaren was later a Policeman in Auchterarder. I wonder if Bill Shankly had anything to do with that? I remember reading on a Liverpool supporters’ website former Liverpool player George Scott recalling Monty in an “A” team match against Merseyside rivals Everton at the Melwood training ground in 1962. Monty made two bad errors when he failed to hold two easy crosses leading to two goals. Monty must have been dreading half time knowing that Bill Shankly was watching the game. Sure enough in the dressing room Shanks went over to the despondent Monty and George Scott said the great man uttered the immortal words: “Monty, son you are six foot six tall, you are strong with plenty of fitness, intelligence, strength, good character and judgment.” Monty’s spirits rose although slightly surprised at the manager’s praise. However, Shanks had not finished! He told Monty “Son, you have everything it takes to make a bloody great policeman and catch lots of crooks, but you will never be a goalkeeper until you can catch a football.

On a sadder note one of Monty’s three goalkeeping brothers, Dave, died at the age of 82 just before Christmas in Australia. Monty was the youngest of four brothers who were all goalkeepers on the books of Scottish/Football League clubs – that must be a unique and if not unique a very rare achievement. Monty’s full name is Bernard Montgomery Maclaren. His eldest brother Jim was in the Scots Guards during the Second World War and they were deployed in the campaign in North Africa so it may give a clue to his distinctive forename combination.
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Re: Liverpool FC juniors from Scotland.

Postby J.S.Norway » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:45 pm

An excellent Shankly story!! I think it was George Scott who told me that Monty MacLaren become a policeman in his home town later.
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Re: Liverpool FC juniors from Scotland.

Postby ScottishFA » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:36 pm

There is a bit of info about Donald Mackintosh in the Inverness Caledonian centenary history - note the spelling. They also have a photo of him in running clothes, as he was also a fine sprinter.

The text from that book is largely reproduced in his obituary in the Scotsman in 2010: http://www.scotsman.com/sport/highland-legend-donnie-mackintosh-was-too-fast-for-a-racehorse-1-806841
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Re: Liverpool FC juniors from Scotland.

Postby prorege » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:32 am

Kevin Heenan was with Tayport in the mid 2000s.

Donald McMaster was with Hurlford United 1985-1988

Colin Williamson was playing for Annan Athletic in 1986/7 and 1987/8. His previous clubs were listed as Liverpool, Everton, Workington and Penrith
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Re: Liverpool FC juniors from Scotland.

Postby bluedragon » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:21 am

WILLIAM BREMNER

John Litster’s disk show a William Bremner signed for Arbroath from Jeanfield Swifts on 26 September 1951 and was released on 22 November 1952 having played 7 league games (0 goals). He was centre half/half back.

DOUG ARMSTRONG

John Litster’s disk show he played for Falkirk in 1970/71, 1971/72 and 1972/73 seasons but no first team appearances. He was reinstated as an amateur after leaving Falkirk. Signed for Bonnybridge on 25 July 1974 and played there until 1977/78.

HESLOP

The Lancashire Evening Post dated 22 February 1934 gives an initial - “E Heslop, junior international from Scotland” – and shows him at outside left. The 1934 Junior internationals had not been played before he played for Liverpool so he is mostly likely to have played in 1933. Heslop does not feature on the list of Scottish Junior Internationalists as they are known at present. However, we do not have the Scotland team that took the field for the match with Wales on 22 January 1933 only the team selected and the reserve team named on 9 January. With a long gap there is always a chance that additional players had to be drafted in to cover for injuries in the original 22 and so it is possible he was a “junior international”.

There is only one E Heslop born in Scotland between 1912 and 1916 – Edward Heslop born in Glasgow in 1914. If it is the same guy he would have been 19/20 years of age when he played for Liverpool. I don’t recognise the place named “Evenham”.
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Re: Liverpool FC juniors from Scotland.

Postby J.S.Norway » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:38 pm

Thank you!!
Heslop played outside left for LFC "A" team 22/2 & 28/2-1934.
Williamson left LFC in March 1976 and signed for Workington in August 1976. So he can have been with Everton in 1976.
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Re: Liverpool FC juniors from Scotland.

Postby bluedragon » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:38 am

I have been looking for Heslop in the British Newspaper Archive. I have drawn a blank following the Scottish Junior International line.

However, a “Heslop” played for Evenwood Town (in County Durham) in the 1933/34 FA Amateur Cup First Round tie, that went to replays, against Northern Nomads and scored goals. He played for Evenwood Town v South Bank on Saturday 3 February 1934. Evenwood/Evensham – similar?

The Sunderland Daily Echo 7 September 1933 said:

"Teddy Heslop the Seaham Colliery Welfare outside left, who last season was included in the Durham Football Association’s amateur eleven against the North-Eastern League eleven at Stockton, has signed amateur forms for Middlesbrough and will be given a run during the month. Heslop is Sunderland born, and was at one time connected with All Saints."

So Teddy [“Edward”] Heslop was an outside left of promise attracting the attention of local league clubs.

There was a Heslop playing outside left for Horden CW against Hartlepools United Reserves listed in Sunderland Daily Echo 31 October 1933.

Are these reports all of the same player?

So this gives a few clues with his first initial (“E”), his position (outside left) and his club before playing his two games for Liverpool (Even?????). It might be worth checking that line of enquiry for your man? The Scottish link might be a simple mistake in the newspaper report and his previous club might be a mis-spelling.
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Re: Liverpool FC juniors from Scotland.

Postby J.S.Norway » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:52 pm

I have checked our papers again. You are correct!!! Heslop arrived from EVENWOOD. Our information that he was a scottish junior international must be wrong. I can`t remember where and when we got that information. Thank you!!
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Re: Liverpool FC juniors from Scotland.

Postby bluedragon » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:19 am

J.S.Norway wrote: I can`t remember where and when we got that information.
The Lancashire Evening Post dated 22 February 1934 reporting on an A team match between Preston North End and Liverpool says “E Heslop, junior international from Scotland”. However, it now looks like a simple mistake, I think the Lancashire Evening Post is a Preston published paper and therefore the reporter's knowledge of a Liverpool trialist would have sketchy and probably second-hand compared to what he knew about the three trialists playing for PNE.
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Re: Liverpool FC juniors from Scotland.

Postby J.S.Norway » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:58 am

Yes, Lancashire Evening Post is a Preston paper. And I remember that I visited Preston Library some years ago.
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