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Birth dates for Scottish internationalists

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:45 pm
by Partick Thistle
I wonder if any of you fine gentlemen could oblige with any birth / death details for the following seven?

John Deakin (Johnstone Juniors, St Mirren, Partick Thistle, Clyde and Linfield)

Robert W. Marshall (St Andrews, Partick, Partick Thistle, Rangers and Abercorn)
born in Glasgow

John McCorkindale (Partick, Partick Thistle, Rangers and Clyde)

Hugh McHardy (Rangers, Partick Thistle and St Mirren)

James Raeside (Parkhead, Partick Thistle, Third Lanark and Bury)

Jimmy Walker (Renfrew, Heart of Midlothian, Partick Thistle and Third Lanark)
born in Detroit, Michigan; died 25th September, 2000, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin

John Inglis (Partick, Rangers, Blackburn Rovers, Partick Thistle and Preston North End)
died August, 1920 (aged 61)

Re: Birth dates for Scottish internationalists

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:38 pm
by Swampy
I don't have any dates but I do know that Johnny Deakin served in the Army into the 50s and this prevented him from going further with his career. Maybe there's some military records that can help. He may well have lived post-football in Northern Ireland, where his wife was from.

Re: Birth dates for Scottish internationalists

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:16 pm
by Partick Thistle
All duly noted, thank you Swampy.

Re: Birth dates for Scottish internationalists

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:02 am
by ScottishFA
John McCorkindale didn't play for the old Partick FC, having joined Thistle from Dalmuir Thistle in February 1888. And he only played once for Rangers as a guest, letting in eight goals in a friendly at Everton in 1890.

John Inglis died 16 August 1920 in Preston. Are you sure he played for Thistle? There was a J Inglis in some Thistle teams in 1881-82 to 83-84, but John Inglis was playing regularly for Rangers those seasons. Of course he could have been jumping around between teams and I'd be interested to know more.

Re: Birth dates for Scottish internationalists

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:47 pm
by Partick Thistle
ScottishFA wrote:John McCorkindale didn't play for the old Partick FC, having joined Thistle from Dalmuir Thistle in February 1888. And he only played once for Rangers as a guest, letting in eight goals in a friendly at Everton in 1890.
You would dare stand against the great Litster? Haha, to be fair, there's not a human on earth who could keep it super-tight for tens of thousands of players. Corky's first known Thistle appearance was on Saturday, 11th February, 1888, in a 2-1 friendly defeat at home to Cambuslang, so that fits with your joining date. Knowing how you research meticulously on a one-by-one basis, I shall change his previous club to Dalmuir Thistle. Thanks for that! I'm happy to include guest appearances in club-lists, even one-offs.
ScottishFA wrote:John Inglis died 16 August 1920 in Preston. Are you sure he played for Thistle? There was a J Inglis in some Thistle teams in 1881-82 to 83-84, but John Inglis was playing regularly for Rangers those seasons. Of course he could have been jumping around between teams and I'd be interested to know more.
Yes, I have two John Inglis's for Thistle (and even a J.E. Inglis to further muddy the waters). The first John was an early club captain, and perhaps even a candidate as a founder member. I know for a fact this is not the same John Inglis who played for Rangers because random checks reveal that appearances for both Thistle and Rangers clash on a regular basis during the early 1880s. John Inglis (the Rangers player and Scottish internationalist) was playing regularly for Rangers in 1883-84 but his appearances for them suddenly stopped after January (only broken by a one-off friendly appearance vs. Glasgow Thistle on April 5th). As we all know, he was tempted down to play with Blackburn Rovers, and played with them on 1 March 1884 in the FA Cup Semi Final. Apparently, though, he was still working as a mechanic in Glasgow, so wasn't fully committed to the move (http://spartacus-educational.com/BLACKBinglis.htm) and presumably chose to commute between Glasgow and Blackburn. He played for PTFC in several games between March and May that term (i've seen the term "Inglis, late of Rangers"). He was playing for Thistle on 22 March 1884 vs. Dumbarton. A week later he travelled back down South to play for Blackburn in the FA Cup final (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1884_FA_Cup_Final). He was then back in action for us on 12 April 1884. Hectic! At the beginning of 1884-85, I have another positive i.d. from Niall Kennedy, speaking about the Dumbarton game (August 30th): "The match at Dumbarton saw Thistle take a one goal lead after a visiting supporter shouted “a safe thing today boys”. However, with guest players Inglis and Maitland from Rangers, Thistle lost the game."

I reckon 7 appearances all told:
22.03.1884 Dumbarton [h] W2-1 (Friendly)
12.04.1884 Morton [h] W4-1 (Friendly)
26.04.1884 Heart of Midlothian [h] W3-2 (Friendly)
03.05.1884 Partick [a] W5-0 (Friendly)
10.05.1884 Northern [a] L2-3 (Friendly)
30.08.1884 Dumbarton [a] L1-4 (Friendly)
06.09.1884 St Mirren [a] L1-4 (Friendly)

Thanks for the d.o.d. on John ; - )

Re: Birth dates for Scottish internationalists

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:49 am
by Vasco
As far as I can make out Hugh McHardy was born in Anderston on 22nd November 1860 and died in Paisley on 30th May 1912.

Re: Birth dates for Scottish internationalists

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:15 am
by ScottishFA
Vasco wrote:As far as I can make out Hugh McHardy was born in Anderston on 22nd November 1860 and died in Paisley on 30th May 1912.
Those dates are correct.

However, he had a fairly tenuous connection to Partick Thistle - just one match on 8 May 1886 as a trialist, a friendly against Morton. He joined St Mirren that summer after six years with Rangers - for whom his last match was on 1 May against Thistle.

Re: Birth dates for Scottish internationalists

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:14 pm
by Partick Thistle
^^ Brilliant Vasco, many thanks!
ScottishFA wrote:
Vasco wrote:As far as I can make out Hugh McHardy was born in Anderston on 22nd November 1860 and died in Paisley on 30th May 1912.
However, he had a fairly tenuous connection to Partick Thistle - just one match on 8 May 1886 as a trialist, a friendly against Morton. He joined St Mirren that summer after six years with Rangers - for whom his last match was on 1 May against Thistle.
All agreed. Tenuous link maybe, but real nonetheless. Who could deny Scone Thistle their George Best claim?

Re: Birth dates for Scottish internationalists

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:22 pm
by Vasco
James Smith Raeside died on 17th January 1946 in Duke Street, Glasgow.

He married in December 1904, at the age of 25, a woman whose surname was Beck.

However, I can find no record of him having been born in 1879, as seems most likely.

Re: Birth dates for Scottish internationalists

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:38 pm
by ScottishFA
Raeside's birth was transcribed as Reside - it was on 6 July 1879.

The woman he married in 1904 was Margaret Beck, but she died early in 1908 when he was at Bury. (His mother died in November the same year.) He remarried to Florence Williamson in 1910.

If he died in Duke Street, I'm guessing that was No 253, the address of the old Duke Street Hospital.

Re: Birth dates for Scottish internationalists

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:49 pm
by Partick Thistle
Great stuff guys, mucho obligato!

Andy, was Raeside born in Glasgow did you notice?

Re: Birth dates for Scottish internationalists

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:26 pm
by ScottishFA
Partick Thistle wrote:Andy, was Raeside born in Glasgow did you notice?
Yes, in Parkhead.