Double internationalists

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Re: Double internationalists

Postby bluedragon » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:36 am

Snuff wrote:Of course, with his cricket cap, Scot Symon is a triple internationalist.


Thanks Matt.

Jumping threads to "UK Amateur Internationals" just below we should add Donald Ford to Scott Symon’s name as he won Amateur and Full International caps while at Hearts and also played cricket for Scotland.

I would suggest Englishman “Tip” Foster was the best triple internationalist of the lot. He played for England at Amateur and Full level at football and was a Test match cricketer. He captained England at both football and cricket. He scored 287 in his Test match debut in Sydney in 1903. It remains the highest score for a Test Match debut. At the time it was also a record score for a Test match (only overtaken in 1930) and the highest score in a Test Match at the Sydney Cricket Ground (only broken in 2012). He also scored a goal for England.
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Re: Double internationalists

Postby ScottishFA » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:33 am

Donald Ford playing cricket for Scotland is a bit of a myth. He came close, but only appeared in a trial match and was never capped. See this for further details: http://www.scottishsporthistory.com/sports-history-news-and-blog/cricket-and-football-double-internationals

Mind you, you'll be opening a can of worms if you start to try and categorise those who were internationalists at football and another sport. There are more than you might think - Henry Renny-Tailyour at rugby, Robert Main Christie at curling, Jim Crawford at athletics, William Barbour Agnew at bowls, to name but a few.
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Re: Double internationalists

Postby bluedragon » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:04 am

ScottishFA wrote:Donald Ford playing cricket for Scotland is a bit of a myth. He came close, but only appeared in a trial match and was never capped. See this for further details: http://www.scottishsporthistory.com/sports-history-news-and-blog/cricket-and-football-double-internationals


Thanks Andy.

I had thought Donald Ford had played more times for Scotland at cricket so thanks for clarifying and giving the link to your blog.

A bit more on Donald’s one appearance for Scotland. 1980 was the first year Scotland were included in the Benson & Hedges Cup playing against the English Counties. Donald was in a 15-man squad that travelled to Worcester having accepted the county club’s invitation to the Scots to play two warm-up games on Saturday 26 April (55 overs per side and under B&H rules) and on Sunday 27 April (40 overs a side). As you say, Donald played in the second match. He batted at 4 and scored 7 before being caught by West Indian Test fast bowler Vanburn Holder off the bowling of Paul Pridgeon. Scotland did pretty well but bad light did not help them batting second and they lost by 80 runs.

It was a different era with other footballer/cricketers on the field that day apart from Donald.

Paul Pridgeon (the bowler that “got” Donald) was a centre half at Stourbridge and was in the team that got to the Welsh Cup Final in 1973/74 eventually losing to Cardiff City in the two-leg final but after disposing of both Swansea and Wrexham away from home.

Ted Hemsley was a left back who played around 500 league games for Shrewsbury Town, Sheffield United and Doncaster Rovers.

Phil Neale played for both Lincoln City and Scunthorpe United

John Inchmore was a good non-league footballer and played against Scotland in the 1972 Junior International when England and Scotland drew 2:2 with Donald's soon-to-be-team mate Rab Prentice scoring one of the Scotland goals.

As footballers Paul Pridgeon and Ted Hemsley can both claim to have played cricket and football at the same ground as Stourbridge and Sheffield United (at that time) were shared football/cricket grounds.
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Re: Double internationalists

Postby LEATHERSTOCKING » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:48 pm

Lieut.Henry Waugh Renny-Tailyour(Royal Engineers) born Mussoorie, North West Province, India played for Scotland against England in the Rugby Union International at the Kennington Oval in 1872 and in the same fixture under Association football rules on the same ground on 8th March 1873 - the only football double Internationalist for Scotland. He also played for the Scottish side in one of the 5 England vs. Scotland "inter-nationals” organized by the English association pre 1872. As well as representing Kent at cricket, Renny-Tailyor appeared for the Gentlemen in Gentlemen v Players matches, and also played in first class matches for MCC, Gentlemen of the South, the South of England and a combined Kent and Gloucestershire XI. The “Gentlemen vs. Players” fixture was the game`s highest honour in those pre test match days.
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Re: Double internationalists

Postby Snuff » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:07 am

I say Forrest old man. You've seriously under-ranked Renny-Tailyour; chap retired a full Colonel don't ya know. Damned bad form to reduce a fellow's rank.
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Re: Double internationalists

Postby bluedragon » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:26 pm

Some more amendments:

Bobby Templeton played for Kilmarnock Rugby XI and was selected to play for Junior Scotland versus England in 1898. He was signed by Hibernian immediately afterwards. I have therefore added:

Bobby Templeton (Kilmarnock Rugby XI and Aston Villa/Newcastle United/Woolwich Arsenal/Kilmarnock) 1 & 11

I found some more matches played by Peter Nellis but where his surname was mis-spelt. This amends his record to:

Peter Nellies (Douglas Water Thistle and Heart of Midlothian) 4 & 2
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Re: Double internationalists

Postby LEATHERSTOCKING » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:06 pm

Ah, he may have ended as a colonel but was he a colonel when he played? Sir Govan wasn`t Sir Govan during his playing days.
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