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King Cup 1889-90

Post by BMCCOLL » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:21 pm

I'm looking at the above competition and noted that Raith Rovers were drawn against Bellstane Birds in the first round. I haven't been able to find a reference to this match being played but it is noted Cowdenbeath beat Raith 6-2 on 7 December 1889 in round 2. The trouble is Bellstane then appeared in the third round eventually reaching the final.

I thought maybe the first round draw was wrongly reported and Raith and Bellstane received byes but Bellstane getting another bye in round 2 scuppers that theory.
Was the Raith/Belstane match played, Raith winning but were subsequently disqualified after the second round was played off?
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Re: King Cup 1889-90

Post by ScottishFA » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:02 pm

Can't answer that fully, but Raith Rovers have a full calendar of fixtures in November 1889, with a game every Saturday. So there is nothing to indicate the game against Bellstane Birds was played.

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Re: King Cup 1889-90

Post by BMCCOLL » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:45 am

Puzzling!
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Re: King Cup 1889-90

Post by gogsy1968 » Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:26 pm

When I was looking at Fife teams in this competition I couldn't find any reference to the Raith Rovers v Bellstane birds game ever being played in any of the newpapers on microfilm in Kirkcaldy library or any reference to either teams scratching. The Cowden v Raith game on the 7th December is always described as a King cup tie.
I haven't got full access to BNA online but doing a search on Bellstane Birds brings up Edinburgh Evening New 9th May which seems to say they reached the semi final without playing a game.

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Re: King Cup 1889-90

Post by BMCCOLL » Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:09 pm

If the 9 May report is assumed to be correct then ..
Raith had to have scratched to them in R1 and the Cowden/Raith tie in R2 actually WASN'T a King Cup tie. Bellstane, Cowdenbeath and Broxburn would then all have received byes to make an 8 club R3.
Bellstane subsequently had a walkover against Alloa in R3 before beating Cowden in the semis on 18 Jan 1890.
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Re: King Cup 1889-90

Post by gogsy1968 » Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:24 am

BMCCOLL wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:09 pm
If the 9 May report is assumed to be correct then ..
Raith had to have scratched to them in R1 and the Cowden/Raith tie in R2 actually WASN'T a King Cup tie. Bellstane, Cowdenbeath and Broxburn would then all have received byes to make an 8 club R3.
Bellstane subsequently had a walkover against Alloa in R3 before beating Cowden in the semis on 18 Jan 1890.
Have you anything about the 3rd rd tie between Cowdenbeath and Adventurers?

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Re: King Cup 1889-90

Post by BMCCOLL » Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:50 pm

I don't have results for five ties including Cowden/Adventurers. The matches and byes in bold are ones I cannot confirm.

First round
9 Nov Townhill v Dunfermline Athletic 0-2
9 Nov Burntisland Thistle v Lassodie 3-0
9 Nov Penicuik Athletic v Cameron Highlanders 3-3
16 Nov Penicuik Athletic v Cameron Highlanders 6-4
16 Nov Armadale v Linlithgow Athletic 7-2
16 Nov Clackmannan v Alloa Athletic 2-3
23 Nov Cowdenbeath v Kirkcaldy Wanderers 4-0
9 Nov Champfleurie v Bathgate Rovers 6-1
9 Nov Pumpherston Union v West Calder
16 Nov Broxburn v Bo’ness 9-0
9 Nov Vale of Midlothian v Edinburgh Univ D&G Students 1-5
9 Nov Muirhouse Rovers v Polton Vale 5-4
9 Nov Norton Park v Bonnyrigg Rose 6-5
9 Nov Adventurers v Haddington Wanderers 3-3
16 Nov Haddington Wanderers v Adventurers 1-3
Raith Rovers v Bellstane Birds scr-wo ??

Second round
30 Nov Penicuik Athletic v Adventurers 2-3
30 Nov Armadale v Pumpherston Union 7-0
30 Nov Alloa Athletic v Dunfermline Athletic wo-scr Dunfermllne couldn’t raise a team, so a friendly was played instead, score 3-0
30 Nov Edinburgh Univ D&G Students v Muirhouse Rovers
30 Nov Burntisland Thistle v Norton Park 3-4
Cowdenbeath ??, Bellstane Birds ?? byes ??
Broxburn bye

Third round
28 Dec Broxburn v Norton Park 14-0
Cowdenbeath v Adventurers
14 Dec Edinburgh Univ D&G Students v Armadale

Bellstane Birds v Alloa Athletic wo-scr

Semi-final
1 Feb Armadale v Broxburn 3-3 friendly of two halves of 35mins played instead
8 Feb Armadale v Broxburn 2-1
18 Jan Bellstane Birds v Cowdenbeath 4-0

Final at Albyn Park, Broxburn
1 Mar Armadale v Bellstane Birds 5-2
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Re: King Cup 1889-90

Post by gogsy1968 » Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:38 pm

Thanks for the reply

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