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Record Crowds excluding the Old Firm

Post by Scottish » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:23 pm

Query from John Snowden: "In 'ROAR of the Crowd' you say the Motherwell v Dundee Scottish Cup Final of 1952 was a post-war record crowd. Presumably it's the biggest for a match not involving the Old Firm. I was wondering what the equivalent records are for the League, League Cup and Europe?"

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Yes, the attendance of 136,495 for the Scottish Cup Final between Motherwell and Dundee on April 19th 1952 is the biggest crowd ever for a Scottish club match in which neither Old Firm side were present.

Motherwell also hold the League Cup record with 63,181 watching their League Cup Final victory over Hibernian on 28th October 1950. I've mentioned elsewhere that the East Fife v Partick Thistle Final of 1953-54 which is frequently cited as 88,529 was actually watched by around 50,000 fewer.

In the League it's the Hibs v Hearts match on January 2nd 1950 cited as either 65,840, 65,850 or 65,860.

Europe is trickier. The best in the European Cup is 44,941 for Hibs v Reims in the semi-finals ion April 18th 1956. That MAY also be the best non-OF for any European game played by a Scottish club at home but there is an estimate of 45,000 for the Hi-bees match against Barcelona in the Fairs Cup Quarter-Finals on Feb 22nd 1961. That game is certainly the best for the Fairs/UEFA Cup. Hibs also hold the record for the Cup-Winners Cup with 28,424 v Hajduk Split in the quarter-finals on March 7th 1973

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Post by bobby s » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:45 pm

Following on from that, and something I was going to ask you anwyay...


What was the last 30k and 40k attendances at ER in any competition?
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Post by Scottish » Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:01 pm

Last 40K+ was 48,554 v Celtic, League, Feb 23rd 1974
Last 30K+ was 32,923 v Hearts, League Jan 1st 1976

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:57 pm

scottish wrote: Last 30K+ was 32,923 v Hearts, League Jan 1st 1976
The latter was a far greater disappointment than the 7-0. That was done to Hibs be 'hot' and off the booze on Eddie's orders the night.

Hearts were 'up for it', but were most definitely not. It was a truly miserable wet day. Hibs went 3-0 up after about 25 mins I was on the bus home at 3.40. The only time I've walked out before half time drenched miserable.

Ah happy days.

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:14 pm

Hearts last of 30000+ was in the same fixture a year earlier 36500

http://www.londonhearts.com/scores/games/19760101.html


Last crowd of 40000+ was in 1972 against Celtic

http://www.londonhearts.com/scores/games/19720327.html
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Post by Scottish » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:30 pm

In addition to the Edinburgh teams and the OF these are the last 30,000+ crowds in the LEAGUE for other clubs.

Aberdeen 21/4/73 30,957
Clyde 9/3/58 31,500
Dundee 21/8/63 32,383
Killie 4/1/69 32,893
Motherwell 29/11/58 32,977
Thistle 27/11/71 33,185
Queen's Park 2/11/57 30,824
St Mirren 16/11/68 42,653
Third Lanark 1/10/60 32,500

All v Rangers except Thistle (V Celtic). No other club has pulled a 30,000 crowd to a home league game (unless you count Morton v Rangers at Love Street)
The only time I've walked out before half time drenched miserable.
I left that Killie-Rangers game before the end but that was due to a "misunderstanding" with the constabulary and I sneaked back in again :twisted:

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Post by bobby s » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:44 pm

thanks guys :lol:
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Post by Scottish » Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:38 am

The question was "What was the last 30k and 40k attendances at ER in any competition?"

The answer I gave was "Last 30K+ was 32,923 v Hearts, League Jan 1st 1976"

But it's amazing the things you come across at half past two in the morning when you'll do anything to avoid what you're supposed to be working on.

On Wednesday March 24th 1976 Scotland U-23's beat Holland U-23's 2-0 in a European Championship quarter-final second leg to make the aggregate 2-2 before losing 4-3 on penalties. The game was at Easter Road and the crowd was 32,593.

So THAT was the last 30k+ gate there.

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Post by the hibLOG » Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:05 pm

Blimey - when was the last time a Scotland side other than the big boys got more than 30K to a game? Presumably the Youth World Cup that was held in Scotland in the early 80s or whenever it was drew a decent crowd or two, but other than that?
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Post by Scottish » Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:34 pm

That was the last ever U-23 game before the change to U-21. It was also a record home attendance at that level though there had been bigger crowds for games v England at Hillsborough 8/2/56 (39,736) and St James Park 5/2/64 (35,090). Lowest home gate was v France 3/12/69 at Hampden with just 5,004 present.

Another low Hampden crowd was the 5,903 v the West German Olympic XI on 10/1/72. Would have slipped below the 5,900 mark if it hadn't been for me and a few friends!

U-21 games haven't been as attractive, probably because at U-23 level players had already gained a substantial reputation - the match against the Dutch featured the likes of Alan Rough, John Brownlie, Frankie Gray, Colin Jackson, Willie Miller, Joe Jordan (one of two permitted over-age players), Derek Johnstone

The first U-21 game - away to Czechoslovakia 12/10/76 - didn't have those kind of names in it. Bobby Clark and Pat Stanton were the overage players but while most of the rest later forged good reputations in the game - Burley, Albiston, Aitken, Burns, Cooper, Wark, Narey, Sturrock - they weren't that well known at the time.

When the U-21s reached the semi-finals of the European Championship in 1982 there were 15,000 at Pittodrie to see them beat Italy and 16,130 at Hampden where they lost 1-0 to England. But that was almost twice as many as watched the 1-1 second leg draw at Maine Road (8,212).

You're right about the U-16 world championship in 1989. There were 50,000 for the final against Saudi Arabia

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Post by Mike Smith » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:19 pm

scottish wrote:You're right about the U-16 world championship in 1989. There were 50,000 for the final against Saudi Arabia
And 29,000 for Scotland's semi-final with Portugal at Tynecastle for which the kick-off was held up to let the crowd in. I think a young Luis Figo played for Portugal that night.

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Post by Gorgiewave » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:33 am

Sat31March1928 wrote:Hearts last of 30000+ was in the same fixture a year earlier 36500

http://www.londonhearts.com/scores/games/19760101.html


Last crowd of 40000+ was in 1972 against Celtic

http://www.londonhearts.com/scores/games/19720327.html
I have also seen Scotland U-16s v Portgugal U-16s in 1989 given as 30,000, which would have been above the published capacity of 29,000. The only time I've ever been locked out of a match. I eventually saw Luis Figo in May this year playing for Real Madrid against AC Milan in a charity match.

The attendance for the final v Saudi Arabia was attended by 51,674, "my" record attendance until Celtic Park was extended to 60,000+.
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