Rugby World Cup 2015

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Rugby World Cup 2015

Postby Snuff » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:05 am

The Rugby World Cup is turning into yet another emotional roller-coaster for the Tartan Army.

Sure, to be top of our group after two games is great, but, our two most-important games are still to come, and we have one or two key men cayying injuries - 'twas ever thus.

But, it is annoying to see ITV, in their RWC coverage, are going down the same route as they have long used for the Football World Cup - only England matters.

Yesterday, we had live games, featuring Scotland and Ireland, but all that smug so-and-so John Inverdale seemed to want to talk about was England losing. Which was sad really; I do miss Jeremy Guscott's torn face and his refusal to praise the team which beat England.

Just a thought - might yesterday's match against the USA at Elland Road have had the greatest number of Scots on that pitch at one time since Leeds Unitd v Celtic in the European Cup back in 1970?
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015

Postby bluedragon » Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:48 am

Snuff wrote:Just a thought - might yesterday's match against the USA at Elland Road have had the greatest number of Scots on that pitch at one time since Leeds Unitd v Celtic in the European Cup back in 1970?


Perhaps the greatest number since Leeds United played Kilmarnock in the old Inter-City Fairs Cup in 1967? I reckon there were 15 on the pitch then but only 14 at one time in the Leeds United v Celtic game. As our former administrator would say "I'll get my coat!"
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015

Postby the hibLOG » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:33 pm

Snuff wrote:Yesterday, we had live games, featuring Scotland and Ireland, but all that smug so-and-so John Inverdale seemed to want to talk about was England losing. Which was sad really; I do miss Jeremy Guscott's torn face and his refusal to praise the team which beat England.


Strangely though I live in New Zealand I have managed to miss quite a lot of the rugby so far. Probably because it requires getting up early in the morning to see it, which I did for the football World Cup but can't quite muster the enthusiasm for the egg chasing. Certainly don't miss that twat Inverdale or all the rest of the BBC England fan club though we have our fair share of Kiwi TV twats. What you can't miss here though is the ludicrous commercialisation of the event and the attempt to link every product to the All Blacks brand, officially endorsed or not. The fridge at work is full of Anchor's black plastic milk bottles. Black bottles with yellow tops! It's like pouring weedkiller into your tea.

Regarding Scotland, the key match is against Samoa as it always would have been regardless of South Africa's travails. It'll be like Argentina all over again - 2011, not 1978 I mean. But then again...
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015

Postby Snuff » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:23 am

the hibLOG wrote:

It'll be like Argentina all over again - 2011, not 1978 I mean. But then again...


With regard to these English calls for Stuart Lancasters head - at least, after Argentina in 1978, we gave Ally until defeat from Austria at the start of the European Championship campaign the following season, before we sacked him.
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015

Postby the hibLOG » Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:43 pm

Snuff wrote:
With regard to these English calls for Stuart Lancasters head - at least, after Argentina in 1978, we gave Ally until defeat from Austria at the start of the European Championship campaign the following season, before we sacked him.


I know, it's inconceivable nowadays that any manager would even have to wait to get back to Scotland to be sacked in the event of a failure like that. Even allowing for the fact that Argentina didn't represent the sum of McLeod's abilities and achievements as Scotland manager the media and public outcry would seal anyone's fate in today's market.
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015

Postby Alan McCabe » Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:28 am

Looking back now, it's quite laughable at what we considered to be calamitous.
McLeod took us effectively to 9th place at the WC78, the same as four years earlier with Willie Ormond in charge. He won successive HI championships and beat England in 2 of his 3 games in charge. He helped eliminate the reigning European champions in Czechoslovakia. He held the world champions in waiting to a 1-1 draw in Buenos Aires. His team, once they had wakened up, defeated arguably the best side in the Finals in our last match, albeit too late to save us.
Yes, with the element of hindsight we see a much different footballing landscape all those years ago.
Boy, would I accept such 'shame' and 'ignominy' today!
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015

Postby Alan McCabe » Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:33 am

Also, on the subject of the RU WC, I do think the group set-ups constitute the most lop-sided tournament I've seen in a while.
I actually feel sorry for the English as their group appeared ridiculously unbalanced given three genuinely potential Quarter-Finalists were balloted together. For us to only require to finish ahead of Japan, Samoa and USA to advance appears a tad fortunate.
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015

Postby Snuff » Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:31 pm

Alan,

Don't feel sorry for England. There is an argument for saying the draw was made too far in advance of the tournament, but, under the system used, the draw was fair. When it was made, Australia were in pot one, on their form within the time-scale, England were in pot two, while Wales, who were on a downer at the time, were in pot three.

Come the tournament, Wales were back laying as they perhaps should, while England are still in the midst of a massive rebuilding job.

As with their football team, the England rugby team is nothing like as good as their media cheer-leaders think them to be. Also, while every other of the Tier One nations - Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Ireland, Us, Wales, operate systems whereby the national team comes first; the club system is designed to try to get their best players fit for international rugby, by playing in top-flight club rugby in a small number of "super teams".

Italy, Argentine, Canada, USA and Japan of the Tier Two nations are also going down this road. Only England and France have stuck with the traditional club-based game.

The big English clubs, like their contemporaries in the FA Premiership in football, see themselves as more-important than the national association, and do all they can to put their interests before the national one.

As for our "lucky" draw - well, it was about time we got the rub of the green in a tournament.
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015

Postby Snuff » Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:14 pm

So, we are Oot On Wir Earses - again.

It somehow feels that our rugby guys came up with a whole new way for a Scottish team to lose.

Our football and rugby teams have been robbed blind before, but, I don't recall a governing body in the past accepting we lost to a refereeing mistake.

Mind you, as has often been said about Scotland football teams - if you cannot properly defend a set-piece, Hell mend you. If we had got that final line-out right, then stuck the ball up our jumpers through several phases, we'd have won.

Still, I really fancy our chances for the Six Nations, which start in 15 weeks - we re in better shape than the other five nations.
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015

Postby Snuff » Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:41 am

I take great pleasure in noting Mark Bennett has been short-listed for "Breakthrough Young Player" at the RWC. I was wondering, who was the last Scottish player to be short-listed, or even to win, an individual reward at a World Cup.

Maybe Archie Gemmill for that goal in 1978.
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