William "Billy" Hunter

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William "Billy" Hunter

Post by stuthejag » Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:09 pm

The following was posted on the Association of Football Stat's mailing list.
Scotsman William "Billy" Hunter had a successful managing career in
Europe in the 20s, managing amoung others Lausanne, Hakoah Vienna,
Galatasaray and the Turkish national team. Does anybody have details on
his playing career as well as birth and death dates? (He supposedly was
34 years old when coming to Vienna in 1923.)
Is this the same player who played for Kilmarnock 1907-08 ?

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Post by bobby s » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:52 pm

The new Litster disk says:

William Hunter was signed to St Bernards in 1895 [maybe a previous William Hunter] and then again in 1904, then onto Airdrie in 1906, Kilmarnock in 1908, Rangers in 1909, Hamilton in 1911, Motherwell in 1912, Cowdenbeath in 1913.

Might be the same player?
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Post by the hibLOG » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:36 pm

bobby s wrote:Might be the same player?
:shock: Only if he was considerably older than 34 when he went to Vienna. Otherwise he'd have been six when he signed for St Bernards.
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Post by Scottish » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:26 pm

Bill Donnachie's Killie 'Who's Who' goes largely along the same lines as the Litster disk except that he has Hunter joining St Bernard's in May 1904. I think the earlier Hunter may well have been a different player.

Donnachie has Hunter - a centre-forward - as going on to Airdrie Sep 1905, Killie on loan in March 1908, back to Airdrie at the end of the season, then to Rangers in June 1909, Hamilton March 1911, Lochgelly July 1912 and Cowdenbeath Aug 1913.

Nothing about year of birth or death but Springside in Ayrshire is given as birthplace.

Donnachie's dates are compatible with the AFS info. If this player was 34 when going to Vienna in 1923 and had his 35th birthday the same year that would make him born 1888. Bill Donnachie says he was amateur with St Bernard's and turned pro with Airdrie in 1905. That would make him 17 when turning pro.

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Post by Steve Emms » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:44 am

I've certainly got the St Bernards Hunters as two separate men, which makes 1888 feasible as a birthdate; the later Hunter was born in Springside. Incidentally, after Cowdenbeath he made one appearance for Motherwell in 14/15.

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Re: William "Billy" Hunter

Post by jeroen » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:09 am

Is everbody absolutely sure that the manager and the Kilmarnock, Rangers , Airdrie etc. player is the same person? I'm starting to think that the W.B. Hunter who managed the Dutch national team a few times and Dutch club DFC (1914) was the former Bolton Wanderers player. I should be able to find his date of birth in Dordrecht but that will be not before Christmas. (in 'het bevolkingsregister' ,online I couldn't find him ,only his address )According to Joyce he was born in Alva 1885
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Re: William "Billy" Hunter

Post by Scottish » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:30 am

jeroen wrote:Is everbody absolutely sure that the manager and the Kilmarnock, Rangers , Airdrie etc. player is the same person?
Not at all. All I was suggesting was that the AFS info could be compatible with the second Hunter. I have no information whatsoever which suggests this player coached on the continent.

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Re: William "Billy" Hunter

Post by jeroen » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:12 pm

I found him in the Dordrecht archives.

Full name William Brown Hunter born in Alva 2 April 1885 He was registered in Dordrecht 17-9-1912/ 25-5-1918. Profession: Trainer, Marital Status: - (not filled in) ,Roman Catholic

He left the country when WW I started, and joined the army. In December 1915 he wrote a letter to Holland telling his friends in Dordrecht he was a corporal (A & S Highlanders 2/7) He hoped to go to the front soon.

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Re: William "Billy" Hunter

Post by foxspur » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:18 pm

My grandfather was William Hunter, and he was born in Springside on July 29 1880. To me he was "Pop" and in later life he was a teacher. He had a lovely temperament and I used to love visiting Wishaw each year from Corby. I had heard he played for Scotland but cannot find a record of it. I also had a cousin Wilson Humphries of Motherwell, who did play once for Scotland.

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Re: William "Billy" Hunter

Post by Scottish » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:42 pm

Hi there and welcome to the forum. Your grandfather was the William Hunter mentioned in the post of Nov 12th 2007, not the one who coached in Holland. He never played for the full Scottish international team but he did play for the Scottish League against the Irish League at Grosvenor Park, Belfast in 1909 with the Scots winning 2-1.

Wilson Humphries, as you say, was a full international. His sister was my Maths teacher.

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Re: William "Billy" Hunter

Post by DavidCockburn » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:58 pm

I've got William Hunters gold medal from 1911 challenge cup in Lanark. Came to me via my grandfathers gold watch where it always was. How did he get it, my great grand mother was Maggie Hunter of Springside, next village to Dreghorn was I was born. Please contact me on 07905 469713 for further information or mail me at info@osirisltd.net for photos of the medal

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Re: William "Billy" Hunter

Post by Scottish » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:00 pm

Hi there and welcome to the forum. He was with Airdrieonians at the time and they won the Lanarkshire Cup in 1910-11.

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Re: William "Billy" Hunter

Post by jeroen » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:19 pm

The other Hunter (William Brown Hunter): Did he play for Kings Park shortly after WW1 before he returned to the continent?

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Re: William "Billy" Hunter

Post by DavidCockburn » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:32 pm

Hi there,

My understanding from previous research is that William moved to Airdrieonians on 8 May 1911, and returned to Ibrox a year later. In between he won the Lanarkshire Consolation Cup (also known as the Lanarkshire Express Cup) with the Broomfield side in 1911-12, beating, ironically enough, Hamilton 1-0 in the final at Motherwell.

The back of the medal is simply inscribed LCC 1911 and W Hunter

I was given the following summary by a football historian:

1904-1905 St Bernards
1905-1909 Airdrieonians (with a two month stint at Kilmarnock (Mar-May 1908)
1909-11 Rangers (also at Hamilton Mar-Apr 1911)
1911-12 Airdrieonians (& Rangers)
1912-13 Motherwell (& Rangers)
1913-14 Cowdenbeath
1914-15 Motherwell

Can you or anyone verify the above and explain the (& Rangers) - does this mean he was on loan?

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Re: William "Billy" Hunter

Post by Scottish » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:44 pm

The dates you have are in line with those in John Litster's disk of pre-war players and suggests the & Rangers signifies he was loaned out. Certainly he only played one season for Rangers 1909-10 despite scoring 19 times in 17 league matches (including all five in Rangers 5-1 home win over Hamilton on Oct 16th 1909) and being Rangers' top scorer that season. I don't have 1910-11 data but he played 17 league games for Airdrie in 1911-12, scoring six times, 12 times for Motherwell 1912-13 with three goals, then signed for Cowdenbeath, winning a Second Division championship medal in 1913-14.

He also played for Lochgelly United and for Saltcoats Vics in the juniors during WW1

Regarding the medal if it doesn't have a definitive season on it such as 1910-11 or 1911-12 and just says 1911 then it is almost certainly from the 1901-11 season as these county competition finals took place at the end of the regular league season. I assume LCC stands for Lanarkshire Challenge Cup rather than Consolation Cup as I think Lanarkshire Express Cup would be the correct terminology by then.

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