SCOTTISH LEAGUE V IRISH LEAGUE 1955

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SCOTTISH LEAGUE V IRISH LEAGUE 1955

Post by East Fifer » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:44 pm

Can anyone tell me the actual date of the Scottish league v Irish League international in 1955? (the game could have been in Scotland OR Ireland). The reason I ask is that Iain Gardiner played in the game but I need to know if he was an East Fife player or a Motherwell player at the time. He was transferred from East Fife to Motherwell in October 1955.
I'd also like to know the dates of the Scotland v British Army matches played in the 1952/53 and 1953/54 seasons and the date of the Scotland 'B' v England 'B' international at Easter Road in 1953.
Any information at all would be very much appreciated!

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Post by Scottish » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:17 pm

Hi there and welcome to the forum. The match in question was September 15th 1954 at Windsor Park and Gardiner - still with East Fife - scored one of the goals in a 5-1 win for the Scottish League.

The 'B' international at Easter Road was a 2-2 draw on March 11th 1953.

Sorry, I don't have dates for the Army games. Maybe someone else reading this can help?

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Thanks!

Post by East Fifer » Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:19 am

Superb - I've been hunting for that info for ages and I'm amazed to get a reply so quickly!
Maybe you can fill in another couple of blanks in my records regarding League Internationals.
I need to know the date and venue of the English League v Scottish League match in 1948 (East Fife's Davy Duncan was at outside-left) and also the venue when the two sides met on 10th April 1950 (East Fife's Allan Brown was in the side)?

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Post by Scottish » Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:11 pm

Thanks. The first game was on March 17th 1948 at St James Park. The second game was on March 22nd 1950 - not April 10th - at Ayresome Park. The only inter-league game I can find for April 10th 1950 is a 2-2 draw between the Irish League and the League of Ireland.

London Hearts have full details of all Scottish League representative matches.

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:38 pm

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Post by ScottishFA » Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:34 pm

And these are the various Scotland v British Army matches:

23.2.49 Scotland 7, British Army 1 at Tynecastle, Edinburgh
3.3.52 Scotland 3, British Army 1 at St James' Park, Newcastle
18.11.53 Scotland 3, British Army 2 at Goodison Park, Liverpool
12.11.58 Scotland 1, British Army 1 at Tynecastle, Edinburgh

I think that is all the matches, unless anyone knows different.

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Post by Steve Bell » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:44 pm

23.2.49 Scotland 7, British Army 1 at Tynecastle, Edinburgh
3.3.52 Scotland 3, British Army 1 at St James' Park, Newcastle
18.11.53 Scotland 3, British Army 2 at Goodison Park, Liverpool
12.11.58 Scotland 1, British Army 1 at Tynecastle, Edinburgh

Does anyone have line-ups and scorers from these four matches?

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Post by LEATHERSTOCKING » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:14 pm

SCOTLAND XI 3, THE ARMY 2 @ Goodison Park. 8/11/1953
SCOTLAND: Niven(Rangers), Haughney(Celtic), McDonald(Falkirk), Dudley(West Bromwich Albion), Telfer(St.Mirren), Baird(Clyde), McKenzie(Partick Thistle), Walsh(Celtic), Reilly(Hibernian), Fernie(Celtic), Mathew(East Fife). scorers=Fernie, Reilly, Baird.
ARMY: Fraser(Airdrieonians), Gunter(Portsmouth), Hopkins(Tottenham Hotspur), Deely(Wolverhampton Wanderers), Rutter(Portsmouth), Clamp(Wolverhampton Wanderers), Finney(Sheffield Wednesday), Quixall(Sheffield Wednesday), Meadows(Manchester City), Simpson(Huddersfield Town), Bluntstone(Chelsea). scorers=Quixall, Simpson.
attendance=8,208.

SCOTLAND XI 1, THE ARMY 1 @ Tynecastle Park. 12/11/1958
SCOTLAND: Beattie(Celtic), Caldow(Rangers), Wilson(St.Mirren), Mackay(Hearts), Gabriel(Dundee), Cumming(Hearts), Hunter(Motherwell), Rankin(Airdrieonians), Herd(Arsenal), Law(Huddersfield Town), McParland(Partick Thistle). scorer=Law.
ARMY: Slater(Falkirk), Parker(Everton), Williams G.(West Bromwich Albion), Williams J.(Plymouth Argyle), Plenderleith(Hibernian), Milne(Preston North End), Scott(Rangers), Smith(West Ham Utd.), Hitchins(Aston Villa), Dobing(Blackburn Rovers), Mulhall(Aberdeen). scorer=Hitchins
attendance=12,000

There was a SCOTLAND Under 23 game vs. THE ARMY in 1960-61 season which the U23s won 3-2 @ Fir Park but I don`t have a date I`m afraid. Thereafter the advent of European club competitions and the end of national service brought these kind of games to an end.

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Post by Scottish » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:35 pm

LEATHERSTOCKING wrote: There was a SCOTLAND Under 23 game vs. THE ARMY in 1960-61 season which the U23s won 3-2 @ Fir Park but I don`t have a date I`m afraid. Thereafter the advent of European club competitions and the end of national service brought these kind of games to an end.
Feb 13th 1961
Scotland U-23: Haffey (Celtic), Delaney (Motherwell), Sim (Aberdeen), McLintock (Leicester), McNeill (Celtic), Miller (Dunfermline), McLeod (Hibs), Hilley (Third Lanark), St John (Motherwell), Law (Man City), Auld (Celtic)

Army: Ogston (Aberdeen) Hill (Sheff Wed), Edisbury (Bolton), Kearns (Coventry), Yeats (Dundee Utd), Baxter (Rangers), Quinn (Sheff Wed), Young (Everton), Byrne (Crystal Palace), Crowe (Blackburn), Sydenham (Southampton)

Scorers: U-23 Law 2, St John, Army McNeill OG, Kearns

I don't have the HT or crowd figure

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Post by Steve Bell » Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:35 pm

Thanks again for your prompt replies. It will be interesting to see if anything comes in on the two earlier matches.

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Post by Scottish » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:27 pm

Details of the first of those two games on London Hearts

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Post by Steve Bell » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:00 am

So that's just the 1952 game to go.

The Scotland Under-23 match is in the News of the World Football Annual. Going off on a tangent have there been any other Under-23 matches against non national teams? Were there practise games with club sides in the past?

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Post by ScottishFA » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:01 pm

There was another Army match in 1952/53, Scotland XI 2, British Army 1, played at Hampden Park. I don't have the exact date but I think it was early March 1953.

As for the Under 23s, they had four other practice matches that I know of:
14/12/55, Clyde 1, Scotland U23 5, at Shawfield
11/1/56, Hibernian 4, Scotland Under 23 1, at Easter Road
11/4/60, Scotland Under 23 10, Scottish Second Division Select 2, at Brockville Park.
10/1/72, Scotland Under 23 1, West Germany Amateurs 0, at Hampden Park.

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Post by Scottish » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:51 pm

In the days when I was daft enough to head for Hampden at any opportunity I did so in January 1972. IIRC the opposition were billed as the West German Olympic XI. Willie Donachie scored the only goal of the game which was watched by 5,903 benighted souls.

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Post by LEATHERSTOCKING » Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:18 pm

Attendance @ the 1961 U23 vs. Army game @ Fir Park was 12,000 & the referee was Hugh Phillips of Wishaw.

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