Alexander "Alex" Galloway Raisbeck

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Alexander "Alex" Galloway Raisbeck

Post by Insertnamehere » Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:39 pm

A friend of mine is doing his family history and he found the guy above as a distant relation. He has the Wicky info but does anyone have anything factual?

They do state 26 December 1878 – 12 March 1949 which is accurate and that he played for Liverpool, Partick Thistle and Celtic as ell as gaining national caps.

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Post by Cinneide » Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:20 am

I wrote a biography of Raisbeck for Partick Thistle Legends a couple of years ago. PM me your email address and I'll email it to you, if you don't want to buy a copy for yourself.
[url=http://www.PTEarlyYears.net/]Partick Thistle - The Early Years - A Club History Online[/url]

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Post by bobby s » Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:35 am

Here's what I have on Alex Raisbeck from a Hibs perspective:

He signed for Hibs on 30th July 1896, and stayed until 9th March 1898 when he signed for Stoke, according to John Litsters pre war disk.

My records show he played for Hibs 8 in league games and 1 Scottish Cup tie in 1896/97 scoring once, and in 16 league games and 4 Scottish Cup ties scoring 3 goals in 1897/1898 - my records for this period are incomplete, but the league appearances tally with Steve Emms book.
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Post by stuthejag » Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:56 pm

There is several mentions in the press of that era of Luke Raisbeck (Larkhall Thistle, Airdrieonians, Hibs, Motherwell, Falkirk, Clyde, Broxburn, Blackpool, Middlesbrough & West Ham United) being a relation of Alex but there was no mention of the exact relationship (brother or cousin etc).

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Post by John Meffen » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:56 am

stuthejag wrote:There is several mentions in the press of that era of Luke Raisbeck (Larkhall Thistle, Airdrieonians, Hibs, Motherwell, Falkirk, Clyde, Broxburn, Blackpool, Middlesbrough & West Ham United) being a relation of Alex but there was no mention of the exact relationship (brother or cousin etc).
Luke [and his brother William] was a Cousin of Alex, the whole family came from Wallacestone, just outside Falkirk, though their births are registered at Polmont, which was the Parish.

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Post by KatherineR » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:11 pm

What a timely post. Over the past two weeks I've been compiling a lot of information on Alex Raisbeck. He was a great-great-uncle of mine - I descend from his brother, Andrew.

I'd be happy to exchange any information I have on Alex, primarily photos from his time at Liverpool, with anyone.

I'd also appreciate any and all information on Alex, and all the Raisbeck brothers. Please send me a PM if you have anything to share!

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Post by bobby s » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:40 pm

Hi there Katherine,

Your great-great-grandad was a Hibs player too - he signed for Hibs in August 1900, and left for Dundee in August 1901.

He played in 11 league games scoring 3 goals.
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Post by John Meffen » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:35 am

William & Luke, also emigrated to Canada, William in May 1907 [sailing from Liverpool].

Falkirk Careers below

Luke Raisbeck b 14th September 1868, Polmont, Stirlingshire, d 18th February 1947, Grassy Lake, Alberta, Canada
Debut – Thursday August 15th 1901 v Camelon (H) Friendly
Positions – Half-Back
Minor League Matches/Goals [3/-]
Known Career – Airdrieonians [1897//98], Motherwell [1897/98], Third Lanark [1899/00], Middlesbrough [1899/00-1901/02], West Ham United, Falkirk [1901/02], Clyde [1901/02-1902/03], Broxburn United [1903/04], Port Glasgow Athletic [1903/04-1904/05], Blackpool [1905/06]

William Raisbeck (51) b c1878, Polmont, Stirlingshire, d Alberta, Canada
Debut – Tuesday August 28th 1905 v Hibernian (A) East of Scotland League
League Debut – Saturday September 2nd 1905 v Partick Thistle (A) Scottish League Division 1
Positions – Left-Half
Club Honours – Dewar Shield W 1905/06, Stirlingshire Cup W 1905/06
Scottish League Division 1 Matches/Goals [34/1]
Scottish Cup Matches/Goals [1/-]
Minor League Matches/Goals [8/-]
Minor Cup Matches/Goals [7/1]
Known Career – Larkhall Thistle, Clyde [1896/97], Sunderland [1896/97], Royal Albert [1897/98], Clyde [1897/98-1901/02], Derby County [1901/02], New Brompton, Reading, Falkirk [1905/06-1906/07]

If you look up the Stirlingshire Census of 1881, it seems to show luke, William & Alex as brothers, but this is not what the papers said at the time, I'm not sure though, I've come across countless other mistakes from the learned gentlemen of the press.

Address: No 14 Low Limerigg CensusPlace: Slamannan, Stirling, Scotland GRO Reference: 203545.00
Dwelling: 815 Volume: 489.00 District / Page: 4.00 / 29.00
Forenames Surname Relation Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Record Id
Luke RAISBECK Head M M 42 Coal Miner Monkland, Lanark, Scotland 4268
Jane RAISBECK Wife M F 35 Coal Miner Wife Polmont, Stirling, Scotland 4269
James RAISBECK Son U M 16 Coal Miner Son Polmont, Stirling, Scotland 4270
Robert RAISBECK Son M 14 Coal Miner Son Polmont, Stirling, Scotland 4271
Luke RAISBECK Son M 12 Coal Miner Son Polmont, Stirling, Scotland 4272
Thomas RAISBECK Son M 10 Sch Polmont, Stirling, Scotland 4273
William RAISBECK Son M 5 Sch Polmont, Stirling, Scotland 4274
Alexander RAISBECK Son M 2 Polmont, Stirling, Scotland 4275

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Post by Scottish » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:13 pm

The Mormon genealogy site has the same information that they were all brothers in a large family and gives a DOB for William as Dec 22nd 1875.

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Post by Insertnamehere » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:37 am

Many many thanks to everyone for your replies. My mates got lots of new relations to trace now! :)

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Luke Raisbeck

Post by KatherineR » Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:31 pm

I've been doing a bit more digging, and after consulting with a Blackpool FC historian (a team for which Luke Raisbeck played) I believe I can safely confirm that Luke Raisbeck and Alexander Galloway Raisbeck were not brothers. This is a little confusing as A.G. Raisbeck did indeed have a brother named Luke Raisbeck (b. 1868), but the Luke Raisbeck that played football we believe to be a cousin to A.G. Raisbeck, and born 2 September 1878. This would make him a much more appropriate age for his reported career.

For any distant relatives or history buffs, the connection is that A.G. Raisbeck's father (ALSO a Luke Raisbeck) had a brother named James Raisbeck, who also had a son named Luke Raisbeck - the one born in 1878.

Sorry for any confusion - it is tough when everyone has the same name.

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Post by John Meffen » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:46 am

Going through more stuff, again it gets clearer I found this amongst the many bits and bobs that i have, sorry about the quality

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Post by John Meffen » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:47 am

oops, that didn't work, so cut & past the url, if you wish

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Post by Steve Emms » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:03 pm

Can anyone confirm how (if at all) the Luke Raisbeck who played for Airdrie, Middlesbrough & Falkirk among others, fits in? Is he the Blackpool man, or Alex's brother?

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Post by Steve Emms » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:05 pm

Ignore that - I'd scrolled straight passed the answer that appears above.

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