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Renfrewshire Competitions

Postby RobertB » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:12 pm

Does anyone know when the Renfrewshire Victoria and Victory cups started and ended? I guess the Victory cup started in 1918-19? was it a one off or did it continue? The Victoria Cup I understand is still contested as a juvinile competition but im looking at the seniors only

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Re: Renfrewshire Competitions

Postby BMCCOLL » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:39 pm

The Victoria Cup started in 1897-98 season. I've appended the results I have of it as a senior competition. It appears the competition was being limited to amateur clubs from 1929-30 onwards as the latter competitions began to be held over due to lack of available dates. Also this time saw the introduction of the South West Counties Cup between the senior Ayrshire and Renfrewshire clubs.

1897-98
First round
2 Oct Johnstone v Arthurlie 1-1
16 Oct Arthurlie v Johnstone 1-2

Semi final
23 Oct Thornliebank v Johnstone 2-1

Final
13 Nov Thornliebank v Neilston 3-1 (at Barrhead)


1898-99
First round
1 Oct Paisley Academical v Neilston 2-1

Semi final
15 Oct Johnstone v Paisley Academicals 2-0

Final
21 Jan Arthurlie v Johnstone (at Paisley, ground declared unplayable)
11 Feb Arthurlie v Johnstone 1-1 (at Love St)
18 Feb Johnstone v Arthurlie 1-5 (at Underwood, Paisley)


1899-00
First round
16 Sep Thornliebank v Arthurlie 2-1
16 Sep Cartvale v Kilbarchan 1-3

?? round
14 Oct Johnstone v Paisley Academical 2-6

Semi final
28 Oct Johnstone v Arthurlie 3-1

Final
2 Dec Johnstone v Kilbarchan 4-3 (at Johnstone)


1900-01
Semi final
20 Oct Johnstone v Kilbarchan 5-1
27 Oct Kilbarchan v Johnstone 1-3
3 Nov Arthurlie v Thornliebank 3-2 (at Love Street)

Final - 2 legs
10 Nov Johnstone v Arthurlie 5-2
24 Nov Arthurlie v Johnstone 2-2 (protest)
1 Dec Arthurlie v Johnstone 3-1


1901-02
?? round
5 Oct Paisley Academical v Thornliebank 1-3
12 Oct Johnstone v Kilbarchan 1-1
9 Nov Johnstone v Kilbarchan 2-5 (at Love Street)


1902-03
Semi final
31 Jan Johnstone v Kilbarchan 1-1
14 Mar Johnstone v Kilbarchan 3-0 (at Ralston Park)
21 Mar Johnstone v Kilbarchan 3-2 (third tie)
31 Jan Paisley Academical v Cartvale 3-3
21 Feb Thornliebank v Cartvale 3-0

Final
28 Mar Thornliebank v Johnstone 1-1 (at Thornliebank stopped early due to rain)
4 Apr Thornliebank v Johnstone 2-1 (at Thornliebank)
11 Apr Johnstone v Thornliebank 1-3 (at Johnstone)


1903-04
?? round
27 Feb Thornliebank v Johnstone 2-1

Semi final
9 Apr Paisley Academical v Killbarchan 2-2
23 Apr Thornliebank v Arthurlie 3-1

Final 2 legs
Kilbarchan v Thornliebank 2-2
7 May Thornliebank v Kilbarchan 0-0
14 May Thornliebank v Kilbarchan 4-2 (at Port Glasgow 1400)


1904-05 to 1907-08
???

1908-09
Semi final
23 Jan Abercorn v Paisley Academical 3-1
27 Mar Abercorn v Paisley Academical 3-1
13 Mar Johnstone v Arthurlie 3-1
20 Mar Johnstone v Arthurlie 4-2

Final
3 Apr Johnstone v Abercorn 4-0 (unfinished, at Johnstone)
17 Apr Abercorn v Johnstone 1-3 (at Paisley)
24 Apr Johnstone v Abercorn 4-2


1909-10
Semi final?
19 Mar Johnstone v Abercorn 0-1
26 Mar Abercorn v Johnstone 1-1

Final
3 Dec 1910 Arthurlie v Abercorn 3-0 (at Barrhead)


1910-11
First round
18 Mar Johnstone v St Mirren ‘A’ 1-0
1 Apr St Mirren ‘A’ v Johnstone 0-0

Semi final
22 Apr Johnstone v Abercorn 2-0
29 Apr Abercorn v Johnstone 3-3
15 Apr Arthurlie v Paisley Academical 3-1
29 Apr Arthurlie v Paisley Academical 7-1

Final
18 Nov 1911 Johnstone v Arthurlie 1-1
16 Dec 1911 Arthurlie v Johnstone 1-1
2 Jan 1912 Johnstone v Arthurlie 3-0 (at Cappielow)


1911-12
First round
17 Feb Abercorn v St Mirrren ‘A’ 1-1
30 Mar St Mirren v Abercorn 1-2
2 Mar Arthurlie v Port Glasgow Athletic 6-0

?? round
6 Apr Morton ‘A’ v Johnstone 3-2

Semi final
13 Apr Abercorn v Paisley Academical 5-0

Final
20 Apr Arthurlie v Abercorn 0-0 (at Barrhead)
27 Apr Abercorn v Arthurlie 2-2 (at Paisley)
30 Apr Abercorn v Arthurlie 2-0 (at Paisley)


1912-13
First round
10 Mar Johnstone v Paisley Academical 4-1
15 Mar Arthurlie v Bridge of Weir Athletic 3-1
25 Mar Abercorn v St Mirren 1-1 (9000)

Semi final
5 Apr St Mirren v Johnstone 2-2
12 Apr Johnstone v St Mirren 0-1

Final (2 legs)
19 Apr St Mirren v Arthurlie 3-1
26 Apr Arthurlie v St Mirren 0-3


1913-14
?? round
11 Oct St Mirren ‘A’ v Babcock & Wilcox 9-1

Second round
29 Nov Arthurlie v Abercorn 1-3
6 Dec Morton v Paisley GSFP 8-0
28 Mar Johnstone v Paisley Academical 4-0

Semi final
15 Apr Morton v Abercorn 1-0
18 Apr St Mirren v Johnstone 1-0
?Abercorn v St Mirren?

Final – 2 legs
25 Apr Morton v St Mirren 5-0
28 Apr St Mirren v Morton 2-1


1914-15
Semi final
4 Jan St Mirren v Arthurlie 3-3 (St Mirren scratched)

27 Feb Johnstone v Paisley Academical 6-0 abd
27 Feb Morton v Moorpark Crusaders 10-0

10 Apr Johnstone v Arthurlie 2-0


1915-16
played on league lines
13 Nov Arthurlie v Abercorn 2-2
11 Dec Johnstone v Arthurlie 4-0
18 Dec Arthurlie v Moorpark 10-3
25 Dec Abercorn v Paisley Academical 1-1
25 Dec Arthurlie v Johnstone 4-1
1 Jan Abercorn v Arthurlie 1-1
8 Jan Arthurlie v Paisley Academical 7-0
8 Jan Johnstone v Abercorn 5-1
15 Jan Abercorn v Johnstone 2-1
22 Jan Arthurlie v Moorpark Crusaders 6-0
19 Feb Abercorn v Arthurlie 0-1
15 Apr Arthurlie v Paisley Academical 4-2


1916-17
?? round
3 Mar Johnstone v Arthurlie 1-1
10 Mar Arthurlie v Abercorn 2-0
21 Apr Arthurlie v Abercorn 3-0

Final
7 Apr Morton v Johnstone 4-0


1917-18
?? round
2 Mar Johnstone v Abercorn 1-0

Final
30 Mar Arthurlie v Johnstone 2-1
6 Apr Johnstone v Arthurlie 1-2
27 Apr Arthurlie v Johnstone 3-2 (at Cappielow)


1918-19
?? round
5 Apr Morton v Johnstone 2-2

Final
3 May Morton v Abercorn 2-0


1919-20
?? round
10 Jan Johnstone v Paisley GSFP 3-2

Semi final
8 Apr Abercorn v Moorepark 1-0


1923-24
Semi final
15 Aug St Mirren v Johnstone 3-0

Final
29 Sep Arthurlie v St Mirren 2-1


1924-25
?? round
26 Aug St Mirren v Johnstone 4-2 (2000)

Semi final
2 Sep St Mirren v Arthurlie 3-2

Final – 2 legs
9 Sep St Mirren 1-3 Morton
17 Sep Morton v St Mirren 2-3


1925-26
?? round
18 Aug St Mirren v Johnstone 8-0

Semi final
25 Aug St Mirren v Paisley Academical 3-2

Final (2 legs)
8 Sep St Miren v Morton 2-0
16 Sep Morton v St Mirren 2-1 (1500)


1926-27
First round
7 Sep St Mirren v Paisley GSFP 4-1

Semi final
14 Apr St Miren v Moorpark 6-1

Final (2 legs)
23 Aug 1927 St Mirren v Morton 1-1
7 Sep 1927 Morton v St Mirren 2-0 (1000)


1927-28
First round
28 Sep Morton v Paisley GSFP 5-1

Final – 2 legs
17 Sep 1928 Morton v Arthurlie 2-0 (1000)
1 Oct 1928 Arthurlie v Morton 2-4


1928-29
Final
25 Dec 1929 St Mirren v Paisley GSFP 11-0 (at Love St)


1929-30
Semi final
27 Aug 1930 Paisley GSFP v John Neilston FP 4-1

Final – 2 legs
15 Sep 1930 Greenock HSFP v Paisley GSFP 2-1 (at Cappielow, stopped after 80 mins
due to bad light)


1930-31
Final
22 Apr Moorpark v Greenock HSFP 2-2
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Re: Renfrewshire Competitions

Postby RobertB » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:38 pm

Brian, many thanks as ever, the problem was when I was taking notes I wrote down VC not thinking thed be two similarly named competitions, from my lists I have a few additions plus some queries,

1898-99
Semi final
22nd October 1898 Kilbarchan 1 Arthurlie 3 att 1000

1899-00
30th September 1899
Arthurlie 5 Thornliebank 4
7th October 1899
Arthurlie 2 Thornliebank 1 (Holm Park, Nitshill)
14th October 1899
Arthurlie 4 Johnstone 2
28th October 1899
Johnstone 3 Arthurlie 1
4th November 1899
Arthurlie 3 Johnstone 3 (Ralston Park, Paisley)
11th November 1899
Arthurlie 2 Johnstone 4 (Love Street)
18th November 1899
Arthurlie 0 Johnstone 1 (Ibrox Park)

1903-04
26th April Arthurlie 1 Thornliebank 0 Semi final second game

1909-10
Semi Final
Arthurlie 3 Paisley Academicals 1 (Love Street) Final carried over to following season

Final played on 10th December at Barrhead
Arthurlie 3 Abercorn 0

1916-17
?? round
3 Mar Johnstone v Arthurlie 1-1 **I have this as Arthurlie 2 – 1 winners

1917-18
31st December 1917 Abercorn 1 Arthurlie 4

1923-24
Final two legs?
29 Sep Arthurlie v St Mirren 2-1

Plus 27th October
St Mirren ‘A’ 1 Arthurlie 3

1927-28

Final – 2 legs
17 Sep 1928 Morton v Arthurlie 2-0 (1000)
**I have the above game at Dunterlie Park
1 Oct 1928 Arthurlie v Morton 2-4
I couldn’t find any record of this?
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Re: Renfrewshire Competitions

Postby HibeeJibee » Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:04 pm

Renfrewshire Victoria Cup is still technically a Senior competition... it's registered with SFA through the West of Scotland FA... but it is only contested by 4 Amateur clubs, who comprise the "Renfrewshire FA" (which doesn't seem to be affiliated to anyone).

Those 4 are Carlton YMCA, Gourock Thistle, Moorcroft + Viewfield Rovers.

Certainly for the last several years the Semi-Finals have been played on Easter Saturday, with the winners qualifying for the Renfrewshire Cup (with the associated big day out and cheque from playing St Mirren or Morton)... Final's been in late May/early June at Johnstone Burgh JFC.
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Re: Renfrewshire Competitions

Postby BMCCOLL » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:48 am

1927-28

Final – 2 legs
17 Sep 1928 Morton v Arthurlie 2-0 (1000)
**I have the above game at Dunterlie Park
1 Oct 1928 Arthurlie v Morton 2-4
I couldn’t find any record of this?

The Herald has the first match at Cappielow, while indeed, the second is noted as the Renfrewshire Cup final :oops: .
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Re: Renfrewshire Competitions

Postby RobertB » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:00 am

Brian,
Thanks again, double checked my notes and a couple of sites, the 1909/1910 final that was carried over between Arthurlie and Abercorn was definately played on December 10th 1910 not the 3rd, Arthurlie lost to Albion Rovers in the league that day.

HibeeJibee Thanks for that, I remember now seeing you post on P&B about it too, thanks
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Re: Renfrewshire Competitions

Postby BMCCOLL » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:51 pm

1 Oct 1928 Arthurlie v Morton 2-4

definitely the Victoria final as there was no Renfrewshire Cup competition in 1928-29.
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Re: Renfrewshire Competitions

Postby RobertB » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:00 pm

BMCCOLL wrote:1 Oct 1928 Arthurlie v Morton 2-4

definitely the Victoria final as there was no Renfrewshire Cup competition in 1928-29.



Ok with you on that as I didnt have the game at all but had Arthurlie Morton 17th Sept final first game, (2-0 Morton)

I do have Renfrewshire Cup games from that season though, from the Barrhead News plus Stewart Davidsons first 50 years of the Renfrewshire Cup,

Moorpark 1-6 Arthurlie ( 4th Sept 28)
Morton walkover Johnstone scrathed
St Mirren 3-1 Paisley Academical
Paisly GSFP bye

Semi finals
Arthurlie 2-4 St Mirren ( 11th Nov 28)
Morton 6-3 Paisley GSFP

Final
1st leg
Morton 1-1 St Mirren 13th April
2nd leg
St Mirren 6-1 Morton 16th April
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Re: Renfrewshire Competitions

Postby BMCCOLL » Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:25 pm

RobertB wrote:
BMCCOLL wrote:1 Oct 1928 Arthurlie v Morton 2-4

definitely the Victoria final as there was no Renfrewshire Cup competition in 1928-29.



Ok with you on that as I didnt have the game at all but had Arthurlie Morton 17th Sept final first game, (2-0 Morton)

I do have Renfrewshire Cup games from that season though, from the Barrhead News plus Stewart Davidsons first 50 years of the Renfrewshire Cup,

Moorpark 1-6 Arthurlie ( 4th Sept 28)
Morton walkover Johnstone scrathed
St Mirren 3-1 Paisley Academical
Paisly GSFP bye

Semi finals
Arthurlie 2-4 St Mirren ( 11th Nov 28)
Morton 6-3 Paisley GSFP

Final
1st leg
Morton 1-1 St Mirren 13th April
2nd leg
St Mirren 6-1 Morton 16th April


... and by 1928-29, I meant 1927-28, to which that Victoria final belonged! :oops:
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Re: Renfrewshire Competitions

Postby RobertB » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:20 am

Brian, thanks I think we have got there in the end............. heading to trawl through Paisley library this week to see if I can dig up any more. Thanks again
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Re: Renfrewshire Competitions

Postby stewart » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:45 am

Robert, think I may have mentioned this to you before but I got a loan of the Renfrewshire FA minute books (from 1912 to 1970s) 2 or 3 years ago and photocopied them.
I havent trawled through them to extract the results yet but if there is anything specific, then I can have a look. Mind you, they didnt always note all the results in the minute books.
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Re: Renfrewshire Competitions

Postby gogsy1968 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:56 pm

Another couple of results from the online Herald

29th Aug 1922 Victoria cup Semi final Johnstone 0-1 St Mirren
14th Oct 1922 Victoria cup final St Mirren 'A' 2-3 Arthurlie
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Re: Renfrewshire Competitions

Postby standman » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:02 am

Stewart- do the minute books provide any clues as to how Babcock and Wilcox won the Renfrewshire Cup in the 50's?

Seems unlikely that they would have beaten both Morton and St Mirren in a semi and a final?

Or did the big two meet in a semi? Or not take part that year?
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