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Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by Scottish » Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:22 pm

I've received this request for information from 'Pambo 12.'
Hi,
I am trying to trace any information on my father, Thomas Reid, whom I believe played for Blantyre Vics in 1949 or 1950. I remember as a young boy seeing a newspaper clipping with a photo of my father playing and the caption 'Reid takes Vics to Final'. The clipping was lost sometime before my father died so I am relying on memory only. Do you know how I might best be able to track down this info and obtain copies of clippings and programmes and any team photos as such? Thanks for your time. Best regards,
Tom


This was my response:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your query and welcome to the site. The best way to find out more information here is to post in the SFAQs section. There are many 'experts' and 'specialists' who are registered on the site and they may be able to either provide you with information or point you in the right direction.

In this instance I can tell you that the semi-final between Blantyre Vics and Stoneyburn was a goalless draw at Celtic Park on Apr 8th 1950. I don't have a date or a venue for the replay which the Vics won 4-2 and this is most likely the game to which you are referring. I can also tell you that your father didn't play in the final which was at Hampden on May 20th when the Vics beat Cumnock 3-0.

Blantyre Vics also played in the 1944 final though this is presumably before the time your father played for them.

I have taken the liberty of posting your query and my response in the SFAQs section. I'm sure there will be someone who will be able to help you further.


Any more info out there?

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Re: Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by bluedragon » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:07 pm

Blantyre Vics won the Scottish Junior Cup on 20th May 1950 beating Cumnock Juniors 3-0 in front of 44.402 at Hampden Park. Tom Purdie's excellent book "The Scottish Junior Cup 1946-1975" is the book to get as it has a summary of the Vics route to the final, two team photographs and a photograph of the final programme. One photograph is of the final team but the other is of all the players and officials so it is likely your father is in that one. The book only gives the team line-ups of the final and unfortunately as David has said there is not a Reid. However, the semi-final versus Stoneyburn took two replays. Good luck I am sure other will have more.

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Re: Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by bluedragon » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:47 pm

bluedragon wrote:Blantyre Vics won the Scottish Junior Cup on 20th May 1950 beating Cumnock Juniors 3-0 in front of 44.402 at Hampden Park. Tom Purdie's excellent book "The Scottish Junior Cup 1946-1975" is the book to get as it has a summary of the Vics route to the final, two team photographs and a photograph of the final programme. One photograph is of the final team but the other is of all the players and officials so it is likely your father is in that one. The book only gives the team line-ups of the final and unfortunately as David has said there is not a Reid. However, the semi-final versus Stoneyburn took two replays. Good luck I am sure others will have more.
Semi Final replays:

19 April 1950 Celtic Park Blantyre Vics 0 Stoneyburn 0

29 April 1950 Venue not known Blantyre Vics 4 Stoneyburn 2

Unfortunately the Google archive has no Evening News for those dates. I had a quick look at the BNA but there were only scores no team lines.

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Re: Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by Scottish » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:27 am

I got my dates and scores mixed up. First game was Apr 8th, as I said but the score was 1-1 - Blantyre scorer Allan. The first replay was the goalless game and as bluedragon says, was Apr 19th. Both these games were played at Celtic Park. That ground can be ruled out for the second replay on Apr 29th as there was a Charity Cup match between Celtic and Clyde played there. Ibrox & Cathkin were also in use. Shawfield or Firhill were the most likely venues. The Sunday Post for Apr 30th 1950 has the results of a number of junior games but not this one and no match reports of any kind. A pity the Evening Times online doesn't start until 1951 as it would be the best source for match reports.

If Pambo12 is anywhere near Glasgow then a visit to the Mitchell would be profitable as the ET & Evening Citizen should be available. Was the Glasgow Evening News still on the go in 1950? I think so. In which case there are three papers to check out.

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Re: Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by bluedragon » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:22 am

Apologies! in my earlier post I should have said "Unfortunately the Google archive has no Evening TIMES for those dates."

A few other bits and pieces:

1) The Press and Journal of 1st May 1950 gives the result of the second replay but no match details or venue.

2) The Sunday Post of 9th April 1950 Page 19 has a full report of the first semi final but Reid is not in the Blantyre Vics line-up.

3) The Pie & Bovril website has a number of postings that say at 14 games in 1950 Blantyre Vics played the most games of any club to win the Cup. Tom Purdie's book only has 11 games but that may not include preliminary rounds.

Beith H 3-1
Coltness United H 1-0
Kilbirnie Ladeside A 1-0
Carnoustie Panmure H 2-1
Bo'ness United H 1-1
Bo'ness United A 2-0
Jeanfield Swifts H 2-1
Stoneyburn N 1-1; 0-0; 4-2
Cumnock N 3-0

4) Blantyre Victoria FC - 50 years in football was published in 1951 and edited by George Manson - "Mr Junior football" for the Evening Times for many years. I think it is only a booklet/pamphlet but the National Library of Scotland has a copy and I have reserved it to have a look tonight. Judging by the publication date and the editor it may be the best chance of getting some more details.

5) Winning the Cup was as you would expect was a big event for the town but it hit the newspapers for the wrong reasons on a couple of occasions. First, the Cup was stolen while on display in a shop window but was recovered from a local clay pit a couple of weeks later. Second, a huge floral display was made in the local park to celebrate the cup success - 7,000 plants plus goalposts and footballs! Sadly an attempt at vandalism was reported in the papers.

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Re: Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by ScottishFA » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:43 am

About 20 years ago the club produced a commemorative souvenir of the 1950 Junior Cup win, and although it is a very basic photocopied brochure it does contain lots of cuttings relating to the match and the celebrations, even a photo of the massive floral display. At the welcome party in the Community Hall there were numerous past players including Jimmy Brownlie and Jock Stein.

But no mention of a player called Reid - not even in the context of someone unluckily left out of the final eleven or injured. And the goalscorers in the semi-final second replay were Gill (2), Swan and Rennicks, so the Reid newspaper headline probably doesn't relate to this campaign.

As for the Blantyre Vics jubilee brochure in 1950, also no mention of Thomas Reid. The only remote possibility is Tom Reid who went from Blantyre Vics to Clydebank in 1925 (and later scored lots of goals for Liverpool and Manchester United, among others) but he was born in 1905 so is probably too old to be the one we are looking for.

So I would guess he played for the club later on in the 1950s.

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Re: Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by Scottish » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:06 pm

ScottishFA wrote:the goalscorers in the semi-final second replay were Gill (2), Swan and Rennicks.
Andy, you don't happen to know the venue and/or attendance for this match?

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Re: Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by ScottishFA » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:36 pm

Second replay was also at Celtic Park - it was played on Saturday evening, hence the lack of results in the Sunday Post.

No info on attendance.

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Re: Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by Scottish » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:50 pm

Thanks for that. I should also have asked if you have any info on Stoneyburn scorers in second replay and any crowd for first replay.

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Re: Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by ScottishFA » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:13 pm

scottish wrote:Thanks for that. I should also have asked if you have any info on Stoneyburn scorers in second replay and any crowd for first replay.
Sorry, no to both.

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Re: Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by Scottish » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:38 pm

Ta anyway. Just a thought. Because of the years given I made the assumption the query was related to the Junior Cup of 1949-50. Might it be another competition such as the West of Scotland Cup or a more local one involving the Central League or Lamarkshire League?

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Re: Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by bluedragon » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:37 pm

scottish wrote:Ta anyway. Just a thought. Because of the years given I made the assumption the query was related to the Junior Cup of 1949-50. Might it be another competition such as the West of Scotland Cup or a more local one involving the Central League or Lamarkshire League?
Blantyre Vics won the Lanarkshire Junior Cup in 1948/49. They also lost to Duntocher Hibs - the winners- in the inaugural Pompey Cup in 1950 but I don't know if that was the Final.
Tom Purdie's book has a squad photograph taken at the same time as the photograph of the cup-winning team (all the players are in the same position!) but with other players and officials (perhaps another 20?) joining for a photograph with the Cup and the team. So if Pambo 12's father was a squad member at that time he may well be in the picture.

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Re: Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by pambo12 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:42 pm

Thanks so much to all who have taken the time to research and reply on this, it means a great deal to me and my family. I will follow up on the points raised and put an update on when I get the results. My father was born in 1933, went to Bellahouston Academy and served in the Army in 1951 and 1952 if that helps at all. I know its likely to be a long shot but anyone with a programme featuring Tom Reid playing for the Vics around 1948 to 1950 might help narrow it down. Are there any Club records surviving for that time period?
Thanks again,
Tom Jr

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Re: Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by Snuff » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:52 pm

pambo 12 could do worse than try the Hamilton Advertiser for the relevant time. Don't know where he might get access to their archive, however.
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Re: Thomas Reid - Blantyre Vics

Post by boydw » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:16 pm

I stumbled upon this thread while looking for information about the Stoneyburn v Blantyre match.
My Dad played for Stoneyburn, and scored in this match. I recently uncovered a newspaper cartoon report of the match - don't know which paper, it was pink coloured - and also a programme from the final.
Cartoon is attached.

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