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Scots tour of North America 1921

Post by Scottish » Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:54 pm

Colin Jose (whose name will be familiar to readers of World Soccer), the foremost fitba historian in Canada has very kindly sent details of Scottish tours to Canada and the USA between the wars.

This first tour was arranged by Third Lanark's chairman Colonel Wilson and a sports journalist named Bob Watson according to Bert Bell's history of Third Lanark 'Still Seeing Red.'

The journalist may actually be Tom Watson

As you can see there were only four Thirds players on the tour with the rest being guest signings from other clubs. Colin thinks the SFA may have taken over the tour at some point. In Canada the team was referred to as Scottish FA or Scotland and in the USA it was called Third Lanark. Anyone with any more details or able to fill in any blanks please do so.

Scottish Tour – 1921

Players: James Brownlie (Third Lanark), William Bulloch (Partick Thistle), John McCormack (Third Lanark), W. McAndrew (Third Lanark), Craig Brown (Motherwell), James Scott (Dumbarton), Neil McBain (Ayr United), Doug Thompson (Aberdeen), Andy Wilson (Dunfermline), Jim McMenemy (Partick Thistle), Alf Bennett (Albion Rovers), R.M.B. Orr (Third Lanark), Jimmy Gordon (Dunfermline), Joe Low (Dunfermline), Willie Rankin (Motherwell), Tom Maxwell (Dunfermline)

Matches Played
May 21 Halifax 0: Scottish F.A. 7 in Halifax, Nova Scotia
May 24 Montreal 2: Scottish F.A. 6 in Montreal, Quebec
May 26 Hamilton 0: Scottish F.A. 6 in Hamilton, Ontario
May 28 Toronto 1: Scottish F.A. 4 in Toronto, Ontario
June 1 Ottawa 0: Scottish F.A. 7 in Ottawa, Ontario
June 4 Manitoba 1: Scottish F.A. 3 in Winnipeg, Manitoba
June 6 Regina 0: Scottish F.A. 3 in Regina, Saskatchewan
June 8 Saskatoon 0: Scottish F.A. 6 in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
June 12 Calgary 0: Scottish F.A. 5 in Calgary, Alberta
June 14 Edmonton 0: Scottish F.A. 6 in Edmonton, Alberta
June 18 Mainland All-Stars 0: Scottish F.A. 3 in Vancouver, B.C.
June 20 Upper Island 0: Scottish F.A. 4 in Nanaimo. B.C.
June 22 Victoria 1: Scottish F.A. 4 in Victoria, B.C.
June 23 British Columbia 0: Scottish F.A. 3 in Vancouver, B.C.
June 28 Prince Albert 0: Scottish F.A. 3 in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan
July 1 Winnipeg 1: Scottish F.A. 6 in Winnipeg, Manitoba
July 4 Fort William 1: Scottish F.A. 7 in Fort William, Ontario
July 7 Ontario 1: Scottish F.A. 3 in Toronto, Ontario
July 9 Canadian XI 0; Scottish F.A. 1 in Montreal, Quebec
July 10 Jersey City 2: Scottish F.A. 4 in Jersey City, N.J.
July 13 Bethlehem Steel 1: Scottish F.A. 8 in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania
July 16 Philadelphia 1: Scottish F.A. 3 in Tacony, Pennsylvania
July 17 New York 1: Scottish F.A. 2 in New York, New York
July 18 Massachusetts 3: Scottish F.A. 6 in Lynn, Massachusetts
July 21 Fall River 2: Scottish F.A. 2 in Fall River, Massachusetts

May 21, 1921 in Halifax, Nova Scotia
Scottish F.A. 7 (Rankin 2, Wilson 4, McAndrew)
Halifax 0
HT: Att: 3,000 Ref:
Scots: Brownlie: Bulloch, Orr – Gordon, Brown, McAndrew – Bennett, McMenemy, Wilson, Rankin, Low.
Halifax: Wilson – O’Dell, Taylor – Fox, Campbell, Hunt – Ferguson, Carpenter, Jamieson, Sellings, Beston.


May 24, 1921 at Grand Trunk Field in Point Charles, Quebec.
Scottish F.A. 6 (Thompson 2, Wilson 2, Mcmenemy, Rankin)
Montreal All-Stars 2 (Alec Smith, Rae)
HT 1-2 Att: 9,448 Ref: Horace S. Lyons (Montreal)
Scots: Brownlie – McCormack, Orr – Gordon, Brown, McAndrew – Bennett, McMenemy, Wilson, Rankin, Thompson.
Montreal: Bill Smith (Sons of Scotland) – Adam Smith (Vickers), Yule (Grand Trunk Railway) – Alec Rae (Grand Trunk Railway), McNaughton (Nomads), Craigie (Grand Trunk Railway) – Artie Wouteresz (Grand Trunk Railway), Joe Angel (Canadian Pacific Railway), John Linton (Grand Trunk Railway), Alec Smith (Grenadier Guards), McKeller (Sons of Scotland).

May 26, 1921 in Hamilton, Ontario.
Scottish F.A. 6 (Wilson 4, Rankin, Maxwell)
Hamilton All-Stars 0
HT: Att: 8,000 Ref: Billy Dean (Hamilton)
Scots: Brownlie – McCormack, Bulloch – Scott, McAndrew, McBain – Bennett, McMenemy, Wilson, Maxwell, Low.
Hamilton: Carleton – McEwan, Alex McCulloch – Tommy Gardiner, D. Burns, Cooper – Atkinson, Lee, Billy Gilvear, T. Pilkington, Tiny Thombs.

May 28, 1921 at the Island Stadium in Toronto, Ontario.
Scottish F.A. 4 (Wilson 3, McMenemy)
Toronto All-Stars 1 (Taylor)
HT: Att: 14,000 Ref: J.T. Nelson
Scots: Brownlie – Bulloch, Orr – Gordon, Brown, McAndrew – Bennett, McMenemy, Wilson, Rankin, Low.
Toronto: Art Halliwell – Hutchinson, Geordie Campbell – Sid Beown, Sammy Jones (Woods), Bailey – Barron, Marshall, Bob Lavery, Grant, Charlie Taylor.

June 1, 1921 in Ottawa, Ontario.
Scottish F.A. 7 (Wilson 5, Thompson, McMenemy)
Ottawa All-Stars 0
HT: Att: 5,000 Ref:
Scots: Brownlie – McCormack, Orr – Gordon, Brown, McBain – Maxwell, McMenemy, Wilson, Thompson, Low.
Ottawa: Figg – Stewart, Calerwood – Moule, O’Donnell, Potter – Hamilton, Menlove, Craig, Davidson, McDonald.

June 4, 1921 in Winnipeg, Manitoba;
Scottish F.A. 3 (Wilson 2, McAndrew)
Manitoba All-Stars 1 (Steward)
HT: Att: 9,000 Ref: Jimmy Duncanson (Winnipeg)
Scots: Brownlie – Bulloch, Orr – Gordon, Brown, McAndrew – Bennett, McMenemy, Wilson, Rankin, Low.
Manitoba: Joe Scott (United Weston) – Billy Thomson (Celtic), Charlie Prince (Scottish) – Bob Harley (United Weston), Wattie Patterson (Scottish), J. Buchanan (Scottish) – Charlie Stewart (Fort Rouge Rangers), Billy Bruce (United Weston), Fred Parkinson (Fort Rouge Rangers), Jimmy Steward (Norwood), Dave Mcbeath (Knox).

June 6, 1921 in Regina, Saskatchewan.
Scottish F.A. 3 (Wilson 3)
Regina All-Stars 0
HT: Att: 2,500 Ref:
Scots: Brownlie – Bulloch, McCormack – Scott, Brown, McBain – Bennett, Maxwell, Wilson, Thompson, Low.
Regina: Frank Hickling (Imperial Oil) – Blackley (Thistle), Tommy Taylor (Thistle) – Fraser (Thistle), Leslie Ford (Thistle), Bobby Laing (Leader Post) – Richardson (Police), Rogers (Leader Post), Errington (Leader Post), Baggaley (Leader Post), Culverhouse (Army and Navy Vets).

June 8, 1921 at the Mayfair Grounds in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.
Scottish F.A. 6 (Wilson 3, Rankin 3)
Saskatoon All-Stars 0
HT: 0-4 Att: 2,000 Ref: T.C. Atkinson
Scots: Brownlie – McCormack, McMenemy, Wilson, Rankie, Maxwell.
Saskatoon: Fowler – Wright, Jones – Lamb, Fyfe, Rivett – Griffiths, Walls, Vic Pinchbeack, Goble, Seath.

June 12, 1921 at Hillhurst Park, in Calgary, Alberta.
Scottish F.A. 5 (McAndrew, Wilson 3, Rankin)
Calgary All-Stars 1 (Cowie)
HT: 1-0 Att: 5,025 Ref: Bob Mills.
Scots: Brownlie – Bulloch, Orr – Scott, Brown, McAndrew – Bennett, Gordon, Wilson, Rankin, Low.
Calgary: Johnny Robertson – Jimmy Carrington, Norrie Mortimer – Billie Kirkwood, Andy Mitchell, Matt Nesbitt – D. Patterson, J, Anderson, J. Redfern, Bernie Cartwright, Billy Cowie.

June 14, 1921 in Edmonton, Alberta
Scottish F.A. 6 (McAndrew, Wilson 5)
Edmonton All-Stars 0
HT: Att: 5,000 Ref: Capt. J.K. Matheson.
Scots: Brownlie – McCormack, Orr – Scott, Brown, McAndrew – Bennett, McMenemy, Wilson, Thompson, McBain.
Edmonton: Hunter – Kinsman, Ockenden – McPherson, Adams, Robson – Collier, Lamb, Campbell, Miller, Manson.




June 18, 1921 at Brockton Point in Vancouver, British Columbia.
Scottish F.A. 3 (Wilson 3)
Mainland All-Stars 0
HT: Att: 6,000 Ref: Jones
Scots: Brownlie – McCormack, Bulloch – Gordon, Brown, Mc Andrew – Bennett, Rankin, Wilson, Maxwell, Low.
Mainland: Worrell – McNaughton, Ogle – Dryborough, Jim Wilson, Robertson – Fred Wilson, McKinnon, Bob Forgie, Greig, Finlayson.

June 20, 1921 in Nanaimo, British Columbia.
Scottish F.A. 4 (Wilson 2, Rankin, Scott)
Upper Island All-Stars 0
HT: 2-0 Att: 3,500 Ref: Burnish
Scots: Brownlie – McCormack, Orr – Scott, Bain, Gordon – Bennett, Mcmenemy, Wilson, Rankin, Low.
Upper Island: Sheppard – Strang, Campbell – Tom Dickinson, Roberts, Dickie Stobbart – O’Brien, Robertson, Davis, Hibbins, Jimmy Horne.

June 22, 1921 in Victoria, British Columbia.
Scottish F.A. 4 (Gordon, Rankin, Wilson, Thompson)
Victoria All-Stars 1 (Muir)
HT: Att: 3,000 Ref:
Scots: Brownlie – Bulloch, Orr – Gordon, McBain, McAndrew – Maxwell, Rankin, Wilson, Thompson, Low.
Victoria: Shrimpton – Taylor, White – Archie Muir, Jimmie Allan, Munro – Bridges, Brewster, Pettigrew, G. Allan, Totty.

June 23, 1921 at Con Jones Park in Vancouver, British Columbia.
Scottish F.A. 3 (McBain, Rankin, Wilson)
British Columbia All-Stars 0
HT: Att: 5,000 Ref:
Scots: Brownlie – McCormack, Orr – Gordon, Brown, McAndrew – Bennett, McMenemy, Wilson, Rankin, Low.
B.C: Worrell – Campbell, Tom Dickinson – Robertson, Jim Wilson, Jimmie Allan – Fred Wilson, Archie Muir, Rilling, Hitchins, Marsh.

June 28, 1921 in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan/
Scottish F.A. 3 (Rankin, Wilson, Maxwell)
Prince Albert All-Stars 0
HT: 3-0 Att: 1,500 Ref: Page.
Scots: Brownlie – McCormack, Bulloch – Scott, Brown, McAndrew – Bennett, McMenemy, Wilson, Rankin, Low.
Prince Albert: Tom Duff – W. Laidlaw, H. Nightingale – Bob Hall, H. Longley, Norman Sheldon – Nat Webster, M. Turner, Harold Towell, Billy Dobson, Stewart.


July 1, 1921 in Winnipeg, Manitoba.
Scottish F.A. 6 (Wilson 5, Rankin)
Winnipeg All-Stars 1 (McDill)
HT: Att: 7,000 Ref: Bob Ritchie (Winnipeg)
Scots: Brownlie – McCormack, Orr – Gordon, Brown, McAndrew – Bennett, McMenemy, Wilson, Rankin, Low.
Winnipeg: Swindells (Celtic) – Billy Thomson (Celtic), Charlie Prince (Scottish) – Robert Harley (United Weston), Elliott (Coca Cola), Bert Shoobert (Coca Cola) – Richardson (Fort Rouge Rangers), Jimmy McDill, Johnny Hampton, Jack Walker (Celtic), Wilf Reed (Fort Rouge Rangers).

July 4, 1921 in Fort William, Ontario.
Scottish F.A. 7 (Gordon 2, McMenemy, Wilson, Thompson, ………….)
Fort William All-Stars 1 (Buchan)
HT: Att: Ref:
Scots: Brownlie – Bulloch, McCormack, Scott, Bain, McAndrew – Maxwell, McMenemy, Wilson, Gordon, Thompson.
Fort William: T. Ross (Grain Exchange) – A. Walters (Fort William United), Fred Cooper (Fort William United) – F. McEwan (Grain Exchange), J. Ryder (Fort William United), A. Bain (Grain Exchange) – D. Taylor (Grain Exchange), J. Brown (Grain Exchange), Tom Buchan (Grain Exchange), A.J. Winn (War Vets), R. Green (Fort William United).

July 7, 1921 at the Island Stadium in Toronto, Ontario.
Scottish F.A. 3 (Rankin, Thompson, Brown)
Ontario All-Stars 1 (Menlove)
HT: 2-1 Att: 7,500 Ref: Billy Murchie (Toronto)
Scots: Brownlie – McAndrew, Bulloch – Scott, Brown, McBain – Maxwell, Thompson, Wilson, Rankin, Low.
Ontario: Art Halliwell (Toronto Ulster) – George Campbell (Toronto Scottish), George Housin (Toronto Scottish) – William Walker (Windsor), Bayne (Welland), Gardiner (Hamilton) – Ferguson (Toronto Ulster), Menlove (Ottawa), Phil Lavery (Toronto Ulster), Mackins (Guelph), Tiny Thombs (Hamilton Westinghouse).

July 9, 1921 at Alexandria Park in Montreal, Quebec.
Scottish F.A. 1 (Rankin)
Canadian XI 0
HT: 0-0 Att: 6,000 Ref: Billy Dean (Hamilton)
Scots: Brownlie – Bulloch, Orr – McBain, Brown, McAndrew – Maxwell, McMenemy, Wilson, Rankin, Low.
Canadians: Art Halliwell (Toronto Ulster) – Charlie Prince (Winnipeg Scottish), Adam Smith (Montreal Vickers) – Norman Sheldon (Saskatoon), Jim Wilson (Vancouver), Bill McPherson (Edmonton) – Artie Wouteresz (Montreal Grand Trunk), Jimmy McDill (Winnipeg), Tom Buchan (Fort William Grain Exchange), Alec Smith (Montreal Grenadier Guards), Tiny Thombs (Hamilton Westinghouse)

July 10, 1921 in Jersey City, New Jersey.
Scottish F.A. 4 (Rankin, Wilson, McBain, Thompson)
Jersey City Celtics 2 (Hosie, Sweeney)
HT: Att: 6,000 Ref: J.E. Scholefield (New York)
Scots: Brownlie – McCormack, Gordon – McBain, Brown, Scott – Bennett, McMenemy, Wilson, Rankin, Thompson.
Jersey City: Tommy Whelan – Joe Reynolds, Charles Lappin – Tommy Stark, Gallagher, Irvin – Downie, Archie Stark, Frank McKenna, Robert Hosie, Peter Sweeney.

July 13, 1921 at Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.
Scottish F.A. 8 (Thompson 4, McMenemy, Wilson 2, Maxwell)
Bethlehem Steel 1 (Fleming)
HT:1-1 Att: Ref: J.H. Carpenter (Bethlehem)
Scots: Brownlie – McCormack, Orr – Scott, Brown, McAndrew – Thompson, McMenemy, Wilson, Maxwell, Low.
Bethlehem: William Duncan – Sam Fletcher, Jock Ferguson – James Campbell, Willie Porter, Rutherford – James Murphy, Fred Morley, Harold Brittan, William Forrest, Tommy Fleming.
(Note: Harold Brittan played for Chelsea before moving to the U.S.)

July 16, 1921 at Disston Ball Park in Tacony, Pennsylvania.
Scottish F.A. 3 (Rankin, Wilson 2)
Philadelphia All-Stars 1 (Andrews)
HT: Att: Ref: Jimmy Walder (Philadelphia)
Scots: Brownlie – McCormack, Orr – Scott, Brown, McAndrew – Thompson, Rankin, Wilson, Maxwell, Low.
Philadelphia: Ness – Bobby Bethune, Jock Ferguson – Thomas Murray, Rutherford, Willie Porter, Percy Andrews, Fred Morley, Harold Brittan, Jim McGhee, Bart McGhee
(Note: Jim and Bart McGhee were the sons of Scottish international and Celtic player Jim McGhee, and Bart played for the U.S. in the World Cup of 1930 in Montevideo)

July 17, 1921 at New York Oval in New York City.
Scottish F.A. 2 (Wilson, Bennett)
New York All-Stars 1 (Phlip)
HT: 1-0 Att: 6,000 Ref: Charles Creighton (New York)
Scots: Brownlie – Bulloch, Orr – Scott, Brown, McAndrew – Bennett, Rankin, Wilson, Maxwell, Low.
New York: Bobby Geudert – Charlie Kelly, Andrew Burnett – Henry Meyerdirks, Bill Fryer, Billy Herd – Tommy Duggan, Samuel McDonald, Percy Hardy, William Phlip, Rudolph Hunziker.

July 18, 1921 in Little River Stadium in Lynn, Massachusetts,
Scottish F.A. 6 (Wilson 5, Rankin)
Massachusetts All-Stars 3 (Shepherd, Black, Farquhar)
HT: 2-1 Att: 5,000 Ref: Thompson Ritchie (Quincy)
Scots: Brownlie – Bulloch, Orr – Gordon, Scottt, McAndrew – Bennett, McMenemy, Wilson, Rankin, Maxell.
Mass: McIntosh – Stewart, Hulse – Black, Mackay, Churchley – Shepherd, Downie, Dundas, Page, Farquhar.

July 21, 1921 in Fall River, Massachusetts.
Scottish F.A. 2 (Wilson, Rankin)
Fall River United 2 (Ratican, Parker)
HT: Att: 3,200 Ref: James E. Schofield (New York)
Scots: Brownlie – Bulloch, McCormack – McBain, Brown, McAndrew – Thompson, McMenemy, Wilson, Rankin, Low.
Fall River: Jack Albion – Reynolds, Jack Lindsay – William Booth, McFarlane, Paddy Butler – Christie, Parker, Harry Ratican, Shaw, Hugh Weir.

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Post by Scottish » Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:55 pm

Andy Mitchell at the SFA informs me:

"I have looked through the SFA minute books, and the only direct
reference is from the Council meeting of 9 February 1921: Third Lanark
FC granted permission to play matches in Canada and America during close
season.

There is also a passing reference in November 1921 to 'the occasion of
visit of Third Lanark FC to Canada this season'.

So there is nothing to suggest the SFA took over arrangements.

However, I have a menu card for one of the matches, in Vancouver, which
says the game is against Scotland - so perhaps for marketing purposes it
became a national eleven!"

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:37 pm

the scotsman archive refers to them as "Third Lanark".

I'll post the page later

its from 27th july
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Post by Sat31March1928 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:21 am

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:23 am

and a another 1

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Re: Scots tour of North America 1921

Post by John » Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:50 pm

This first tour was arranged by Third Lanark's chairman Colonel Wilson and a sports journalist named Bob Watson according to Bert Bell's history of Third Lanark 'Still Seeing Red.'

The journalist may actually be Tom Watson

As you can see there were only four Thirds players on the tour with the rest being guest signings from other clubs. Colin thinks the SFA may have taken over the tour at some point. In Canada the team was referred to as Scottish FA or Scotland and in the USA it was called Third Lanark. Anyone with any more details or able to fill in any blanks please do so.
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hello, I've been doing a lot of research into this tour here (Canada)
and there is no mention of any "Bob Watson". The journalist on the
tour was Robert (Bob) Morrison Connell. He was also one of the tour
organisers. The other officials included former Thirds player Tod Sloan, Director Mr. Andrew Mitchell, and Col. Wilson. The tour was payed for entirely by the Dominion F. A. As far as I can tell it has nothing to do with the S. F. A., except that the club would have needed permission to undertake the tour and to sign other players.

The Canadians were willing to pay because for years they had longed
for an "old country" professional team to tour, but over and over again
negotiations had fell through, probably due to the cost and time needed
for a North American tour in those days (at least a couple of months).
Previous tours to N. A. had been conducted only by amateurs, namely
the Corinthians and the Pilgrims.

As far as the name is concerned, it is true that there were players added
to strengthen the appeal of the tour, but I still feel it is ok to refer to it
as "Third Lanark." For one thing, calling it Scotland might appear to give
credit for the tour to the S. F. A. who had little or nothing to do with it, and
the players were of course never capped. Instead, players and opponents were
awarded medals by the club with the name "Third Lanark" on them.
Also, it is true that some of the added players did join the Thirds in the
following season. e.g. Alec Bennett became their manager.
It is only natural that they would also be referred to however as
the "scots" or "Scotland" and they encouraged it themselves. For example
they did not always wear the red shirt of Third Lanark, but sometimes
a white one which was typical of later Scottish IXs.

Since there appears to interest in this subject I might put up a website
of my own on this topic
cheers
John in Vancouver

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Re: Scots tour of North America 1921

Post by Scottish » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:38 pm

Hi John and welcome to the forum.
John wrote:hello, I've been doing a lot of research into this tour here (Canada)
and there is no mention of any "Bob Watson". The journalist on the
tour was Robert (Bob) Morrison Connell.
Watson was the instigator at the Canadian end and it's possible he may be the Tom Watson (see link above) who died before the tour took place.

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Re: Scots tour of North America 1921

Post by John » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:41 pm

Also, it is true that some of the added players did join the Thirds in the
following season. e.g. Alec Bennett became their manager.

CORRECTION:actually I realize now only Bennett joined them permanently after the tour.


they did not always wear the red shirt of Third Lanark, but sometimes
a white one which was typical of later Scottish IXs.

Also, the shirt had a thistle on it.


cheers
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