Tommy Hamilton - Kilamrnock and Preston North End

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Tommy Hamilton - Kilamrnock and Preston North End

Post by FlowGently » Thu May 17, 2007 11:16 pm

Hello David,
I'm still writing the programme for Glenafton vs. Kilmarnock. Tommy Hamilton was born in New Cumnock and still lived there when Killie won the Scottish Cup in 1920; he was married that year too.

Bill Donnachie states he won a cap for the Scottish League vs. League of Ireland. Do you have any info on that match; any other Killie players in the team?

One of his great grandchildren has contacted me and apparently Tommy's wife returned to New Cumnock, after he died at Preston in 1959. Sadly, the family has been unable to trace his Scottish Cup and FA Cup runners up medals - it was Tommy that conceded the penalty in the final!

Bill Donnachie states that Tommy went to Manchester Central in the close season of 1929. Was this a non-league club?

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Post by Scottish » Fri May 18, 2007 12:17 am

The inter-league game was against the Irish League on January 25th 1921. The match was played at Ibrox before a crowd of around 15,000. The Scottish League won 3-0. Tom Hamilton played at right-back and was the only Kilmarnock player in the team. He was the first Killie player to play at right-back for the SFL and the next was Jim Richmond in 1960.

Manchester Central FC was formed by several ex-players including the legendary Billy Meredith in 1928 with the aim of becoming that city’s third league side. They played at the Belle Vue Stadium in the Lancashire Combination and the Cheshire County League. They reached the FA Cup proper in 1930 (2nd round) and 1932 (1st round).

However they were unsuccessful in their attempts to gain entry to the league and disbanded in 1932.

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Post by FlowGently » Sat May 19, 2007 9:24 pm

Thanks for the news clipping - a hearty Burns supper that night!

Tommy Hamilton's transfer fee from Kilmarnock to PNE in February 1921 is given as £4,750. I notice in some record books that Sydney Puddefoot's transfer fee of £5,000 from West Ham to Falkirk was a world record in 1922.

Would Tommy's transfer fee have been a world record in 1921?

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Post by Scottish » Sat May 19, 2007 10:21 pm

IF that's the correct fee and then it MIGHT be a world record. See this thread for more on record transfers.

I think the figure quoted by Bill Donnachie might be a mistake/misprint. Certainly I never came across anything when researching the club history back in 1993-94 to suggest a world record fee or anything approaching it.

Ten years after Hamilton's transfer, Killie received £1,875 from Aston Villa for Joe Nibloe and Nibloe had 11 Scotland caps to his name whereas Tom Hamilton had just one appearance for the Scottish League. The Nibloe fee can be verified as accurate as the club still possesses the cheque and it was reproduced in Hugh Taylor's centenary history 'Go Fame' in 1969.

I think the Hamilton figure is likely to have been much lower than the £4,750 mentioned - possible £1,750

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Post by FlowGently » Sat May 19, 2007 11:24 pm

Hello David, In correspondence with one of his great grandchildren - she gives a transfer fee of £4,600. I'll try to get that verified.

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Post by Scottish » Sun May 20, 2007 12:16 am

There's a source here though I can't vouch for its reliability which claims a fee of £3,100.

Still on the high side to my way of thinking. I'd be interested to know what his great-granddaughter says - particularly if there's anything in writing. I'm not averse to claiming a new world record for a Killie player but it strikes me as odd that the press of the day - particularly local papers like the Kilmarnock Standard & Kilmarnock Herald - didn't make more of it if it were a record.

Anything documented would be helpful.

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Post by FlowGently » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:10 pm

Hello David, Tommy Hamilton's great granddaughter has sent me a copy of the Preston North End , End of Season Transfer List. On it it records that PNE paid Kilmarnock £4,600; joing PNE in February 1921. i'll try and send the .pdf to you

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Post by Scottish » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:54 pm

Please do. I'd like to see it. If right then it could well have been a record fee. Though the lack of press comment remains surprising.

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Post by FlowGently » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:28 pm

Hello David,
I sent the document to the admin address - did you receive it?

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Post by Scottish » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:17 am

Hadn't checked that account for a while. Thanks, yes, got it. I'll try and contact John Livingston the club historian. I'm sure he'd love to hear about this. I'll get back with what he says.

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Post by Scottish » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:23 pm

I've had a word with John Livingston. He thought the fee was for around £2,500 and was surprised to hear how much it was. He is going to try and check the club records (if they are still available) and then get back to me.

There remains the possibility that PNE were over-egging the pudding. The document sent shows they were looking for a transfer fee for Hamilton who by that time would be - if records as shown both by Bill Donnachie & Michael Joyce are correct - 36 years old. It can't be ruled out that they might have been exaggerating the fee paid eight years earlier.

OTOH if it transpires this was the correct fee then it's possible to say this was a world record unless someone can prove otherwise.

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Post by FlowGently » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:58 pm

Hello David,
In the 'reason' column it states ' This figure (i.e. £250) placed on player at his own request, Club will reduce should he so desire'. So I am not sure if PNE were really trying to milk it. With Bill Donnachie figure at £4,750 and PNE accounts showing £4,600 I think we're close to the mark of a record at the time.

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Re: Tommy Hamilton - Kilamrnock and Preston North End

Post by FlowGently » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:40 pm

Hello David, re-visiting I came across a reference to the transfer in Charles Buchan's book 'Charles Buchan: A Lifetime in Football" (1955) he states that Tom Hamilton's transfer from Kilmarnock to Preston North End Athletic for £4,600 was an English record at the time'.

Killie played Preston in a benefit match for Hamilton, do you have any info on the Killie team-lines?

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Re: Tommy Hamilton - Kilamrnock and Preston North End

Post by Scottish » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:16 pm

Richard Cairns has sent me these details:

Tom Hamilton Benefit Match on Thursday 28th April 1927

PNE 5 v Kilmarnock 2 (Weir 2)
Clemie, Leslie, Nibloe, Morton, McLeod, McEwan, Murphy, Cunningham, Weir, Ramsay, Thomson

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